**Official uNL Microbrew thread: August**

[ssdex]

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Oh, believe me, I think anyone could've played a solid 15/12 game a year or 2 ago on most sites, but obv that has changed alot.

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So you play a lot of 400NL and up ???

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none of the best players 400nl and up play anywhere near 15/12---- most of them play between 24/20(sometimes higher) and-19/16.

[ssdex]

I think at nl100 and below it is ok to loosen up your cold calling range especially in position, If you are a good post flop player I think you can win a lot of $ with that extra 4% you call, for example instead of playing 19/16--- which is what i would play at nl200 and nl400--- at nl50 i spread it out to like 23/18 or 23/17---- this obviously varies. If someone is 3betting me a lot, sometimes ill just call oop with junk to keep them honest, or 4bet light.

but hbomb is very right--- and I think anyone who has played nearly the amount of hands he has, and myself, knows how much harder the games have gotten in the last 2 years,,,, especially the last 6 months. I dont think 17/15 or 15/12 is anywhere near optimal for nl25-nl100.

[Gelford]

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Oh, believe me, I think anyone could've played a solid 15/12 game a year or 2 ago on most sites, but obv that has changed alot.

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You missed my point


So you play a lot of 400NL and up ???

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none of the best players 400nl and up play anywhere near 15/12---- most of them play between 24/20(sometimes higher) and-19/16.

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[tehDiceman]

so im about 30 cents from a 2BI robusto and check out this lovely hand.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $10.41
BB: $12.00
UTG: $5.54
CO: $15.42
BTN: $8.19

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.65</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $2.00</font>, BTN calls $1.80, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $10.41</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $12.00</font>, BTN folds
Uncalled bet of $1.59 returned to BB

Flop: ($22.82) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($22.82) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($22.82) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $22.82 ($1.10 Rake)

BB had Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and WON (+$11.31)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$10.41)



and then this at another table, very next hand.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $9.95
BB: $10.60
UTG: $9.68
MP: $5.91
CO: $7.75
BTN: $2.32

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, BB calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.65</font>, BB calls $0.65, MP calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.30</font>, BB folds, MP calls $2.30

River: ($7.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.95</font>, MP calls all-in for $2.71
Uncalled bet of $2.24 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $12.72 ($0.60 Rake)

MP had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and WON (+$6.21)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$5.91)


poker during the day is such a joke. here i am, right back at -2BI busto. bah. see you at 25NL to chase in about 5 minutes. im sick of these pussy pots.

[ama0330]

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I can't remember the last time my VPIP over a 2,000+ hand session was ever under 20, but I guess that's just me.

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fwiw I played and beat a LOT of 50nl and lower playing 17/15

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Oh, believe me, I think anyone could've played a solid 15/12 game a year or 2 ago on most sites, but obv that has changed alot.

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lol, honestly

[kabouter]

Hmmm can HU cash games actually be profitable? I've played a couple of $20 sng's and sure have a nice roi there, but the $50nl SnG's simply seem unbeatable, I won like $10, and paid $30 in rake [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]....

[Gelford]

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I can't remember the last time my VPIP over a 2,000+ hand session was ever under 20, but I guess that's just me.

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fwiw I played and beat a LOT of 50nl and lower playing 17/15

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Oh, believe me, I think anyone could've played a solid 15/12 game a year or 2 ago on most sites, but obv that has changed alot.

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lol, honestly

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And you didn't miss my point [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[creamfillin]

This tilted me so hard I feel numb.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($28.05)
MP ($41.90)
CO ($40.05)
Button ($25)
SB ($14.80)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.25</font>, Button folds, SB calls $3.25.

Flop: ($9.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $10.55</font>, Hero calls $3.55.

Turn: ($30.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($30.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $30.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has As 5s (straight, five high).
Hero has Ac Jh (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins $30.60. </font>

[tehDiceman]

here is my jokerstars graph of august thus far. im SO pissed off right now.

[Mr_Pathetic]

Since everyone is talking about preflop numbers just how loose do you think you can get at NL 10 on stars? I ran at 22/18 at NL 2 and something like 20/18 at NL 5(6500 hand cooling off stretch made me tighten up) and had good success. I am trying to open up a little bit more and more as I move up and people start thinking more. Seems logical.

Last night at NL 10 I played around 22/20 and did fine except I lost to a 2 outer and tilted just enough to shove TPTK on a dry flop after getting checkraised. Playing tight or loose won't prevent that. I think I am going to aim for raising at least 20% of my hands preflop at NL 10 and maybe cold calling and reraising light while IP. I feel that I can play much better then my opponents postflop and I have a MSNL player watch me and mentoring me who seems to think I am decent.

Anyone else run at least 20% PFR at NL 10 and have good results? I only play two tables so I am able to make reads and not just HudBot it up. I am trying to do away with the Hud altogther. Any thoughts on that as well?