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Old 07-18-2007, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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Slim can you calculate how much pot equity the BB needs to call.

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It's not quite that simple since there's a main pot and a side pot, so there's one too many degrees of freedom to calculate it explicitly. We really have to start plugging in some hand ranges.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.

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We put Khan on a pretty wide range, as he is likely isolating against a very wide range.

What should Rahme's calling range be is the question
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.

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If I'm at that final table I put Kravchenko on a wide pushing range and Khan on something close to the correct over-push range against it. 33 is on the low end but it's definitely in there.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.

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If I'm at that final table I put Kravchenko on a wide pushing range and Khan on something close to the correct over-push range against it. 33 is on the low end but it's definitely in there.

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It's debatable whether 33 is in the correct range. That's just your personal opinion. Quite a few here think it is not correct to shove that.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:57 PM
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I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.

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If I'm at that final table I put Kravchenko on a wide pushing range and Khan on something close to the correct over-push range against it. 33 is on the low end but it's definitely in there.

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It's debatable whether 33 is in the correct range. That's just your personal opinion. Quite a few here think it is not correct to shove that.

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If 33 isn't a shove it's very close. It's definitely close enough that a smart player in the BB who understands how both Kravchenko and Khan play should be allowing for 33 in Khan's hand range.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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I don't think we can put Khan on 33 here, I think we need to give him a somewhat tighter range, better aces and mid pairs+

Otherwise it is being results oriented since the shove with 33 is considered questionable by most here.

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We put Khan on a pretty wide range, as he is likely isolating against a very wide range.

What should Rahme's calling range be is the question

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LOL, a pretty wide range, now that's accurate

I hope you understand the calling range depends on the shoving ranges? So obv it is the shoving ranges that matter which automatically gives us the correct calling range for Rahme.
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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- Hero's skill edge is quite high on this table and slow structure/relatively deep stacks means time to find better spots

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What is this based on exactly? Rainkhan beats low stakes SNGs, loses at high stakes SNGs and most of the table are professionals. Skill edge "quite high"????
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:03 PM
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Slim can you calculate how much pot equity the BB needs to call.

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Specifically, we need the following probabilities, all of which depend on hand ranges. I'm ignoring split pots.

<ul type="square">[*]Rhame scoops if he calls[*]Rhame loses the main and wins the side if he calls[*]Khan beats Kravchenko if Rahme folds[/list]
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

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- Hero's skill edge is quite high on this table and slow structure/relatively deep stacks means time to find better spots

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What is this based on exactly? Rainkhan beats low stakes SNGs, loses at high stakes SNGs and most of the table are professionals. Skill edge "quite high"????

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I was Hero in my post. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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