What Should I do for Newhouse?

[rutang]

who cares if Gary's motivation is "altruistic" or not? I don't even think he's implied that it's particularly altruistic so "as altruistic as you are trying to make it out to be" isn't even sensical, much less relevant.

I've known Gary for a long time, and I believe he's aware that there are self promotion benefits to this. who gives a [censored]? I don't really know Newhouse, but everyone seems to think he's a pretty good guy (aside from the vile scumbaggery of his time as an evil weed overlord)

haven't we all spent a little time as an evil weed overlord for some extra cash?

so why don't we concede that some people think that gary's a shameless self promoter, and Mark's a degenerate, and try and come up with a cool idea for something nice to do for Mark?

***spoiler for movie "Stranger than fiction" in the following paragraph***



It's a shame that Mark isn't a little bit older, if he was closer to my age, you could pull a move like Will Farrell did for his buddy in STF and send him off to Space Camp!

i'm guessing that ppl who know him better would be able to pick something out that he'd really enjoy... but i'm not sure. He did score pretty big.. if he really wanted to go whitewater rafting, or skydiving, or whatever.. wouldn't he have done it back when he was robusto?

I agree that the money manager thing is not appropriate. it will probably take a fairly creative stroke to come up with something that is....

[goodgrief]

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the money manager thing is not appropriate. it will probably take a fairly creative stroke to come up with something that is....



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No it doesn't take anything creative, it just takes the knowledge that enabling is wrong. Anything you do to stop the loser from hitting bottom -- ANYTHING -- is wrong and destructive because it is another day off the person's life before they have to confront their own screw-ups and make changes. As long as people here are willing to rescue this loser from his screw-ups, he will be a loser forever. And maybe as poker players that's what you want, but don't you dare stand here and pretend that you care about him or that you're his friend while you're doing it. If you must be a vulture, be a proud vulture. Nobody who was a true friend would have started such a thread. The intent is to humiliate.

"Something nice to do for Mark" would be to treat him as a man and an equaL, not a bum in need of a hand-out. Ain't gonna happen because everyone is relishing this person's hard, hard fall from the heights.

[pdjplano]

Gary, is Mark interested in anything outside of poker? For example, golf or diving or something? A dive trip would be something I'd suggest if he's into that. Go out for 3-4 days on a liveaboard, cut off from the internet/other people and spend a ton of time in the water with all kinds of cool critters.

If he's into golf, maybe a trip to Hilton Head or somewhere and leave the laptops/email at home or something.

I met Mark very briefly in the Bahamas during the PCA and everytime I saw him he was either lugging his laptop around or in the poker room playing (of course most people did that while there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) But if he's having so many problems with poker / leeches around the poker scene, I'd suggest at least 3-4 days completely removed from the internet / casinos and all the people making his life 'an adventure'...

[illguitar]

Your original idea of an island retreat sounds awesome. Perfect idea.

[GeniusToad]

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Gary, is Mark interested in anything outside of poker? For example, golf or diving or something?

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i think he's trying to steer him away from degen activity.

[Eric Stoner]

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the money manager thing is not appropriate. it will probably take a fairly creative stroke to come up with something that is....



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No it doesn't take anything creative, it just takes the knowledge that enabling is wrong. Anything you do to stop the loser from hitting bottom -- ANYTHING -- is wrong and destructive because it is another day off the person's life before they have to confront their own screw-ups and make changes. As long as people here are willing to rescue this loser from his screw-ups, he will be a loser forever. And maybe as poker players that's what you want, but don't you dare stand here and pretend that you care about him or that you're his friend while you're doing it. If you must be a vulture, be a proud vulture. Nobody who was a true friend would have started such a thread. The intent is to humiliate.

"Something nice to do for Mark" would be to treat him as a man and an equaL, not a bum in need of a hand-out. Ain't gonna happen because everyone is relishing this person's hard, hard fall from the heights.



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Reading between the lines...

If you are stating that the person with the problem has to admit that they have a problem first, then I would agree with you that anything done for him or with him will not help him.

As far as the original posters intent...I'll let him speak to that...

Good luck to everyone here...2+2 has been an interesting place.

All I was offering was trying to offer some constructive ideas and not the usual crap that every spews off around here.

[Squareview]

wtf are u morons yapping about? OP didnt ask what you think of mark or what your 2 pennies is on the whole gift idea. just give OP and idea of how to spend some $ on a friend. fing 2+2 is terrible now.

take him to cabo san lucas for a fishing/relax trip. hurry up though marlin are hot now!

[Gobias Ind.]

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By now, most of you know that Mark Newhouse and I had a prop bet that resulted in my losing 34 bounds,

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Forget Newhouse, splurge on something for yourself, like a keyboard where the "b" isn't so close to the "p".

[wisehandpoker]

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the money manager thing is not appropriate. it will probably take a fairly creative stroke to come up with something that is....



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No it doesn't take anything creative, it just takes the knowledge that enabling is wrong. Anything you do to stop the loser from hitting bottom -- ANYTHING -- is wrong and destructive because it is another day off the person's life before they have to confront their own screw-ups and make changes. As long as people here are willing to rescue this loser from his screw-ups, he will be a loser forever. And maybe as poker players that's what you want, but don't you dare stand here and pretend that you care about him or that you're his friend while you're doing it. If you must be a vulture, be a proud vulture. Nobody who was a true friend would have started such a thread. The intent is to humiliate.

"Something nice to do for Mark" would be to treat him as a man and an equaL, not a bum in need of a hand-out. Ain't gonna happen because everyone is relishing this person's hard, hard fall from the heights.



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A couple of notes on this and other posts:

- I don't think a person needs to hit absolute bottom to learn from their mistakes.
- The reason I thought of the getaway was because it might give Mark some renewed perspective.
- I don't see what's wrong with taking a paternalistic approach with a younger friend. I've made mistakes he can learn from, why not share?
- I spoke with Tommy Angelo today just to feel out the idea of hiring him. He said he wouldn't be available for a couple of months, and to his credit, said that he'd only take Mark on if Mark showed a certain level of interest.

[wet work]

I don't even know that you have to spend a bunch of money, maybe just try to get him to hang out with some different people. The one's he surrounding himself with now seem terrible.