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07-11-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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[ QUOTE ] "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. [/ QUOTE ] Why does this rule exist? I understand that you can't reveal your hand to just one player, but why when the hand is announced to the entire table? Is this standard or just for the WSOP? [/ QUOTE ] To prevent collusion. For an extreme example, suppose you are in final 3 of a tourney with a guy you have a piece of, and you want 3rd guy to bust first. You move in, 3rd guy folds, and guy you have a piece of goes into the tank. If you tell him something like "I've got the nuts, you should fold" this is clearly bad. A bit draconian in the above case though. 
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#72
07-11-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
BobboFitos text msg: he's now at 55K 30 min before the break. His table thinks he is from Norway.
gotengotengotengoten!
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#73
07-11-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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Can this possibly be the right call? [ QUOTE ] 9-Hand Penalty For Truth Telling "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. Tommy G got up from the table and pulled out his cell phone to make a call, then quickly stopped. "I'm going to go use my phone, is that okay? Or are you going to give me a penalty for that too?" Tommy G remarked on his way out of the tournament area. [/ QUOTE ] Good lord, Gold would have had to sit out the entire tournament last year. What if I say I have the K, and I do, but the next time I say I have the King and they believe me when I don't? Am I missing something. NCAces [/ QUOTE ] Would you want Jamie Gold to leave the table if you were sitting there? It's always been a rule, it's just somebody has to call over the floor.
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#74
07-11-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
How does Brown NOT raise that flop.
Obviously we don't know all the information, but the guy with KJ against Cunningham seems to have played that horribly.
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#75
07-11-2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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[ QUOTE ] "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. [/ QUOTE ] Why does this rule exist? I understand that you can't reveal your hand to just one player, but why when the hand is announced to the entire table? Is this standard or just for the WSOP? [/ QUOTE ] Help discourage casual chip dumping (Hey, I like that guy, I'll tell him what I have to keep him around). Or something like that. As with most poker rules, it leads to silly situations, but all you can do is memorize and follow it.
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#76
07-11-2007, 05:00 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. [/ QUOTE ] Why does this rule exist? I understand that you can't reveal your hand to just one player, but why when the hand is announced to the entire table? Is this standard or just for the WSOP? [/ QUOTE ] To prevent collusion. For an extreme example, suppose you are in final 3 of a tourney with a guy you have a piece of, and you want 3rd guy to bust first. You move in, 3rd guy folds, and guy you have a piece of goes into the tank. If you tell him something like "I've got the nuts, you should fold" this is clearly bad. A bit draconian in the above case though. [/ QUOTE ] As a side note, you'd have to be the worst colluders in history not to develop a better system than that. I think it's intended to try to prevent casual/unintentional chip dumping.
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#77
07-11-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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Can this possibly be the right call? [ QUOTE ] 9-Hand Penalty For Truth Telling "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. Tommy G got up from the table and pulled out his cell phone to make a call, then quickly stopped. "I'm going to go use my phone, is that okay? Or are you going to give me a penalty for that too?" Tommy G remarked on his way out of the tournament area. [/ QUOTE ] Good lord, Gold would have had to sit out the entire tournament last year. What if I say I have the K, and I do, but the next time I say I have the King and they believe me when I don't? Am I missing something. NCAces [/ QUOTE ] Most of the time he would say things like "I have it" or "I have a very strong hand" or that sort of thing. Within the rules, I believe. There was some debate over whether he told somebody "top-top" indicating TPTK which would be too specific, but it wasn't enforced at the time in any case.
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#78
07-11-2007, 05:03 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Do you have the king?" Tommy Giampaolo was asked. "Yeah, I have the king," Tommy G replied. A king had landed on the turn and Tommy's opponent mucked after asking. Much to the surprise of Tommy G, the floor was called over for a ruling. Tommy G was informed that he's not allowed to actually disclose to anyone at the table what his actual hand is. For doing so, he was given a 9-hand penalty. "Had you told a lie about the hand, that would have been okay," the floor staff informed him. [/ QUOTE ]Why does this rule exist? I understand that you can't reveal your hand to just one player, but why when the hand is announced to the entire table? Is this standard or just for the WSOP? [/ QUOTE ]To prevent collusion. For an extreme example, suppose you are in final 3 of a tourney with a guy you have a piece of, and you want 3rd guy to bust first. You move in, 3rd guy folds, and guy you have a piece of goes into the tank. If you tell him something like "I've got the nuts, you should fold" this is clearly bad. A bit draconian in the above case though. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, makes sense. Still, only covers the most blatant and incompetent collusion. Not sure it's worth removing an interesting psychological component of the game. Also, were this rule strictly enforced, that would end any possibility of talking about one's cards, not just telling the truth. Because there's no deception in a yes/no answer to the question "do you have the king?" if you're only allowed to lie. Edit: [ QUOTE ] Help discourage casual chip dumping (Hey, I like that guy, I'll tell him what I have to keep him around). Or something like that. As with most poker rules, it leads to silly situations, but all you can do is memorize and follow it. [/ QUOTE ] Meh. Fair enough.
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#79
07-11-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: ** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 2B, Wed. July 11 **
2 minutes ago | Posted by BJNemeth
Rick Salomon Eliminated Rick Salomon, who rose to fame as the significant other in the scandalous Paris Hilton sex video, has been eliminated from the Main Event. Shame on us for not noticing him earlier, but in our defense, the quality of that video was pretty poor. And we weren't really paying attention to Salomon.
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