The Parasite Dilemma

[Nicholasp27]

in friend or foe u can communicate; u realize that nobody makes any money if u both go NE of foe...so u agree to go friend and give ur word

one person opts out at the same time the other goes friend; that person does better than if he had gone friend



your method is based on wanting to maximize group, rather than individual, return

your desired result cannot be reached without both communication/education and generosity

it's just not a viable strategy...it's communism/socialism

[KipBond]

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Do you give them your word that you will Contribute?

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Yes.

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And if so, do you keep your word? You can make all the assumptions you want about not being punished in any way if you agree and then renege.

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Personally, I don't renege unless the utility to me doing so outweighs the negative utility I have by reneging on my word, and living with the knowledge that I'm a lying sack of shiite. So, $1,000,000 would definitely do. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But, if I'm a cold-hearted bastard, and there is no recourse for reneging, then I renege.

[PairTheBoard]

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in friend or foe u can communicate; u realize that nobody makes any money if u both go NE of foe...so u agree to go friend and give ur word

one person opts out at the same time the other goes friend; that person does better than if he had gone friend



your method is based on wanting to maximize group, rather than individual, return

your desired result cannot be reached without both communication/education and generosity

it's just not a viable strategy...it's communism/socialism

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Now who's not answering the question?

All the other 99 agree to give their word to contribute if everyone else gives their word to contribute, but noone will if anyone holds out. You are the last possible holdout.

1. Do you give your word?

2. If you do give your word do you keep it?

PairTheBoard

[Double Ice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superrationality

[CallMeIshmael]

PTB,

I give my word to contribute. I play parasite (assuming that there is no way for them to find out the identity of players). And the sitution you described is ideal for parasite.


However, there are several questions you have left unanswered in this thread. I see no point in going on if you choose to ignore them.

[PairTheBoard]

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PTB,

I give my word to contribute. I play parasite (assuming that there is no way for them to find out the identity of players). And the sitution you described is ideal for parasite.


However, there are several questions you have left unanswered in this thread. I see no point in going on if you choose to ignore them.

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Your questions are essentially repeated assertions that Nash Logic must be followed. They amount to rhetorical questions. We are all well aware of the Nash Logic here.

But let's look at the implications of your answer to question #2. You do non hesitate to break your word after giving it and essentially "cheat". Cheating is ok for you as long as you don't get caught or punished for it. You would have done the same thing zeejustin did then when he multitabled online tournies thinking he would not get caught. And your only criticism of ZJ is that he made the mistake of getting caught. Is this what you plan on teaching your kids as well? Cheating is ok, just don't get caught?

PairTheBoard

[CallMeIshmael]

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Your questions are essentially repeated assertions that Nash Logic must be followed. They amount to rhetorical questions. We are all well aware of the Nash Logic here.

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My attempts to get you to admit that it is possible for players in the game to be playing different strategies isnt "nash logic", whatever that means, it is "attempting to make you you understand how the game works"

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But let's look at the implications of your answer to question #2. You do non hesitate to break your word after giving it and essentially "cheat". Cheating is ok for you as long as you don't get caught or punished for it. You would have done the same thing zeejustin did then when he multitabled online tournies thinking he would not get caught. And your only criticism of ZJ is that he made the mistake of getting caught. Is this what you plan on teaching your kids as well? Cheating is ok, just don't get caught?

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These questions are irrelevant to the game in the OP

[PairTheBoard]

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Your questions are essentially repeated assertions that Nash Logic must be followed. They amount to rhetorical questions. We are all well aware of the Nash Logic here.

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My attempts to get you to admit that it is possible for players in the game to be playing different strategies isnt "nash logic", whatever that means, it is "attempting to make you you understand how the game works"

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But let's look at the implications of your answer to question #2. You do non hesitate to break your word after giving it and essentially "cheat". Cheating is ok for you as long as you don't get caught or punished for it. You would have done the same thing zeejustin did then when he multitabled online tournies thinking he would not get caught. And your only criticism of ZJ is that he made the mistake of getting caught. Is this what you plan on teaching your kids as well? Cheating is ok, just don't get caught?

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These questions are irrelevant to the game in the OP

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That remains to be seen. Regardless, we are now talking about this altered version of the game where communication is possible between players. You have responded you would enter into a social contract with the other 99 players by giving your word that you will Contribute, then renege on your word and be a Parasite. I've presented some of the implications for your position. What is your response? Ignorance?

PairTheBoard

[KipBond]

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But let's look at the implications of your answer to question #2. You do non hesitate to break your word after giving it and essentially "cheat". Cheating is ok for you as long as you don't get caught or punished for it. ... Is this what you plan on teaching your kids as well? Cheating is ok, just don't get caught?

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What's wrong with cheating (or lying)?

[PairTheBoard]

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But let's look at the implications of your answer to question #2. You do non hesitate to break your word after giving it and essentially "cheat". Cheating is ok for you as long as you don't get caught or punished for it. ... Is this what you plan on teaching your kids as well? Cheating is ok, just don't get caught?

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What's wrong with cheating (or lying)?

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So you were not in the camp that condemned zeejustin for what he did? Your only criticism of him was his making the mistake of getting caught?

PairTheBoard