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08-21-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
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If I ever seize power all dealers will be liquidated and replaced with androids. [/ QUOTE ] Play online only and you will have seized that power. Although an e-dealer on stars the other day did give me a surly look when I didn't tip after he shoved me a 2K pot. |
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#72
08-21-2005, 09:49 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
C'mon. You can't compare the vig in a $45 tourney to a WSOP event, with buyins from $1000 to $10,000, on a percentage basis. There is no number that would be reasonable for one and not ridiculous for the other.
Let's make the FW event have a 10% vig, or be $45 + 5. How can a casino operate this at a profit when they're giving you an average of 2-3 hours of playing time per person for only $5? It's one thing in the old days where a cardroom offered an early morning tourney as a loss leader to get people in the door to start games. Foxwoods is so busy they don't need to lose money to bring in more business, they get all they can handle as it is. I would love it if the vig were that low, but it will never happen, as no business is going to stay in business charging $5 vigs on poker tourneys. Only an online casino has operating costs low enought to do that. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) |
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#74
08-21-2005, 10:18 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
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C'mon. You can't compare the vig in a $45 tourney to a WSOP event, with buyins from $1000 to $10,000, on a percentage basis. There is no number that would be reasonable for one and not ridiculous for the other. Let's make the FW event have a 10% vig, or be $45 + 5. How can a casino operate this at a profit when they're giving you an average of 2-3 hours of playing time per person for only $5? It's one thing in the old days where a cardroom offered an early morning tourney as a loss leader to get people in the door to start games. Foxwoods is so busy they don't need to lose money to bring in more business, they get all they can handle as it is. I would love it if the vig were that low, but it will never happen, as no business is going to stay in business charging $5 vigs on poker tourneys. Only an online casino has operating costs low enought to do that. Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) [/ QUOTE ] Good point Greg. I just don't like that they switched all of their tournies to be such cheapies in the morning, or the time switch for the rebuy on Tuesday nights. I guess they'd rather have crowds of 170-200 players that they can handle, than to deal with handing out line passes at 6am and then registering people at 8am. Playing the $60 tourney is pretty worthless. Made the final table and snagged $208 for my efforts. I guess I should be happy I made the final table, better than not winning, but the payouts were kinda crappy. Similar to Empire tournaments online, where if you have the top 30 getting paid, you get a piddling unless you finish in the top 3. I guess I should just get better and stop sucking/complaining about it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I also hate that Foxwoods did away with the weekend tournies. And the morning tournies seem to have a higher concentration of experienced players and regulars than you'd find in the evenings, where more fish are getting out of work to play. Foxwoods also changed stuff at the last minute during this past Poker Classic in the spring. I was in the multi-play event and they originally were going to have half the field get paid on Day 2. They then announced on Day 1 that they'd pay more spots, but it wound up coming out to about a $30 profit over your initial buy-in if you made the money on Day 2, when you've spent far more than that on food, lodging, etc. I didn't make Day 2, but I heard something about there being 91 players and Foxwoods would only pay 90 spots and refused to pay the last player. So someone in the tournament went around and collected $3 from everyone so that every player would get paid. |
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#77
08-21-2005, 10:27 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
as a guy who waited tables to work my way thru college I will tell you that the IDEA behind tipping is good, but it must be implemented correctly. There should be no pooling of tips, etc. or enforced tips. The only expection to this where I worked was VERY large parties (more than 12 got a 15 % charge). and frankly, I didn't like that, because I often got 20% tips.
Here's the deal: A restaurant ownner, who didn't allow tipping, would need to pay consderably more, and hence, the food chargesx would be more. The problem is, your server would pretty much do the bare minimum to not get fired, and you would have a hard time finding people when you really needed them to work : Fri, Sat, nite. BUT, when tips are pooled, the owners get the good end of the deal -- paying low wages -- while the customers get the shaft. Yes, you are depended upon for your largess, but no one can tell me service doesn't go down. Borderline cases can survive. As I understand it, most dealers pool tips (interestingly, the best blackjack dealers I saw, when I used to play, was in a San Diego Indian casino where they kept there own tips -- in this case, tipping was def. +EV. I had one dealer I tipped well give me a push when she had won, and after the second one, I tipped her the next hand and she winked at me. Anway, if they pool, slackers survive. Furthermore, as I said, I don't think dealers should be considered "service" anyway, they are a game official and shouldn't be ALLOWED to take tips. A dealer can make a ruling in a good tippers favor and many new players do NOT know they can call the floor over. /sorry for typos, I'm on my laptop and I hate this keyboard... |
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#78
08-21-2005, 10:38 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
David Plastik is a huge douche bag
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#79
08-21-2005, 10:42 PM
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Re: WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective
I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's [censored] up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that dealers are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to [censored]' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big [censored]' surprise.
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