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#71
09-12-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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10bbs stunted my growth as a shortstacker, but I'd like to have it again knowing what I know now [/ QUOTE ] I miss the old Party Poker days, I want 50BB max buy in tables again where TP was nuts.... 
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#72
09-12-2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] Please email support to stop this. Here is my email. As a loyal player I am writing to tell you that I think it is very important that you do NOT institute new 50 BB minimum buyin tables at any of the limits. I know this is being advocated by Daniel Negraneau, members of two plus two, and many other professional players, but it takes away from the spirit of the game which emphasizes adaptation and skill in many different game conditions. In fact, I think that it makes more business sense to LOWER the minimum buyin to 10 BB. This is better for both PokerStars (players with $40 buyins at $.25/.50 will not contribute as much rake as those with $40 at $1/2 because of the number of BB they have to commit to a pot in order to reach the capped rake) and the poker economy. It will benefit the players in general because the numerous "fish" generally prefer to play with a much shallower stack even if they are willing to continuously reload. If the minimum buyin is raised you will already lose the rake from the many players who will move down in limits and will also probably lose a large portion of your player base that will move to many other sites like FullTilt, Prima, OnGame, etc. Several of these sites already allow players to buyin for 10 BB which stimulates action and drives the rake upwards. Finally, the players that are petitioning for an increase in the minimum buyin are the small portion of professional players and not the masses of recreational players. I would venture to assume that 99+% of the players on PokerStars, myself included, are recreational players. If you choose to support the few professionally players in raising the minimum buyin then you are in effect turning a blind eye to the masses. The professionals are going to continue to play no matter what changes you make to the game, after all that is how these players make a living. In making any future changes, especially as it relates to the structure of NLHE ring games, I think it is very important to consider your average player and not the outspoken minority of professional players. Concerned player, BlueDevils09 [/ QUOTE ] [censored] off with this 10bb [censored] [/ QUOTE ] Joseph from support didn't seem to care one way or the other.
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#73
09-12-2007, 11:15 PM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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Honestly I would MUCH rather they raised the rathole limit to an hour than raise the min BI. That way the professional "system" SSers would have a harder time making a living and the retard donk shortstackers who are only sitting at 400nl because they have $80 in their account will still be able to play!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I like this.
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#74
09-13-2007, 12:57 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they? [/ QUOTE ] level??
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#75
09-13-2007, 01:04 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they? [/ QUOTE ] level?? [/ QUOTE ] Definitely not. Its far more profitable to SS games that have less players if you are competent.
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#76
09-13-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they? [/ QUOTE ] level?? [/ QUOTE ] Definitely not. Its far more profitable to SS games that have less players if you are competent. [/ QUOTE ] Ive never really given it a thought or done any calculations.. I just assumed the blinds would be too much of a factor.
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#77
09-13-2007, 01:14 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Honestly I would MUCH rather they raised the rathole limit to an hour than raise the min BI. That way the professional "system" SSers would have a harder time making a living and the retard donk shortstackers who are only sitting at 400nl because they have $80 in their account will still be able to play!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] That's a FAR beter idea, IMO. BTW, I may be late with this but: LOL @ Kid Poker 'cause be can't deal with short stackers! [/ QUOTE ] what is the rathole limit? [/ QUOTE ] IF you get up from a table and sit back down w/in a half hour you have to sit down with the stack you left with. In other words there is a 30 min 'rathole' tine-out. I'm suggesting raising it to an hour.
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#78
09-13-2007, 08:10 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Honestly I would MUCH rather they raised the rathole limit to an hour than raise the min BI. That way the professional "system" SSers would have a harder time making a living and the retard donk shortstackers who are only sitting at 400nl because they have $80 in their account will still be able to play!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] That's a FAR beter idea, IMO. BTW, I may be late with this but: LOL @ Kid Poker 'cause be can't deal with short stackers! [/ QUOTE ] what is the rathole limit? [/ QUOTE ] IF you get up from a table and sit back down w/in a half hour you have to sit down with the stack you left with. In other words there is a 30 min 'rathole' tine-out. I'm suggesting raising it to an hour. [/ QUOTE ] I really like that idea. Maybe even 2 hours...idk what's practical.
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#79
09-13-2007, 08:15 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they? [/ QUOTE ] level?? [/ QUOTE ] Definitely not. Its far more profitable to SS games that have less players if you are competent. [/ QUOTE ] How so? I find this difficult to get my head around. I really thought SSing in a shorthanded game would be a way to burn money fast. Do you put people on a range, compare how your hand fares against that range, and shove if ahead?
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#80
09-13-2007, 08:23 AM
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Re: The movement to remove shortstackers!!!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they? [/ QUOTE ] level?? [/ QUOTE ] Definitely not. Its far more profitable to SS games that have less players if you are competent. [/ QUOTE ] How so? I find this difficult to get my head around. I really thought SSing in a shorthanded game would be a way to burn money fast. Do you put people on a range, compare how your hand fares against that range, and shove if ahead? [/ QUOTE ] From what I've heard, people are calling with a wider ranger in 6max games, and that pretty much does it all by itself.
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