High Stakes Poker thread (11/5 - 500k buyin - Spoilers expected)

[yaaam1484]

Antonio obviously playing scared money, he wasnt slowrolling.. there simply wasnt many hands that he could beat that would value bet

[TimTimSalabim]

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The more I see of David Benyamine, the more I like him. It seems like he's always smiling and having a good time.

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Ah, I get it, it's his cavalier attitude.

[Hollywade]

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Whoever thinks Doyle played that hand wrong is a donkey at best.

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This seems like a common belief in this thread. Isn't folding when the other guy is drawing stone dead technically "wrong?"

[jjshabado]

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Whoever thinks Doyle played that hand wrong is a donkey at best.

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This seems like a common belief in this thread. Isn't folding when the other guy is drawing stone dead technically "wrong?"

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No.

[Hollywade]

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No.


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By "no," I assume you mean "yes," especially since the hole card cameras showed us Doyle folding the 3rd nuts.

When I have the 3rd nuts against a crazy man, and I feel he has a good hand, this makes me happy. I know he will stack off when I shove.

[Micro Donk]

its results oriented man to save the day!

[Hollywade]

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its results oriented man to save the day!


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If by "result," you mean folding the 3rd nuts, then yes.

[jjshabado]

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No.


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By "no," I assume you mean "yes," especially since the hole card cameras showed us Doyle folding the 3rd nuts.

When I have the 3rd nuts against a crazy man, and I feel he has a good hand, this makes me happy. I know he will stack off when I shove.

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I meant no.

First, you need to figure out that making the right choice at the time is different from making the choice that would make you the most money if you knew the other guys hand.

Second, they're DEEP STACKED. Stop thinking in terms of "I have the third best hand. What are the chances someone has a hand better then mine?". Start thinking in terms of "If I get all my money in here how often will I be good? Is this a good play". For various reasons Doyle decided that getting his money in there wasn't a good idea. I agree with him, I actually commented to a friend while watching that Gabe was wrong when he said Gold was going to lose a lot of money on that hand. I thought it was pretty obvious that Doyle would be forced to fold to the check-raise.

[JokersAttack]

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This is my list of EVs:

EV+:
Patrick
Daniel N.
Antonio E.
Doyle

EV-:
Jamie Gold
Sammy
Guy L.

Borderline:
David B.
Barry G.

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lol @ Barry G being borderline EV.

moran.

and also lol @ people berating Doyle's fold. When Gabe was sitting there going on about how Doyle was going to stack Jamie, I was sitting there seriously believing Doyle could muck his hand. Why? Because Doyle can read Jamie like a book, and detected high strength tells. Doyle probably believed that it simply wasn't worth risking his stack (who knows how many 500k bullets he had available?) in a borderline situation. Yes, in hindsight, it was an incorrect fold, but Doyle's ability to pick his spots and stay away from marginal situations (like the AK hand against Barry) testify to his past success.

[shaniac]

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Doyle read him correct, Jamie felt superstrong deepstacked with his flush. It's either play for stack or fold, he knows Jamie will put in another bet on the turn no matter what.

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didn't the big check-raise take place on the turn, when both players made their flush? He only has to call two more bets, and, like, he has the third nuts. Those approving the fold seem to be arguing that his fold has more merit because of how deep they are playing...but against jamie gold, who's spew-happy and probably not going to radically adjust his game because of its depth, it's seems kind of mandatory to call two more bets.

And yes, he did read jamie correct for having a big hand, but to rule out the possibility that Jamie would play a set or two-pair, or whatever-strength hand he happens to have in this way, is wrong. I might be missing something, but why should their stack-sizes totally change the value of the situation.