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06-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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In her book, Annie Duke claims her first wsop event was a womens event. Not sure if she cashed or not, Hendon Mob has no record of it. However, if we go only by what she says, then apparently starting in a womens event helped launch her into poker. I guess she now feels other females should be denied such an opportunity? [/ QUOTE ] This would indeed be hypocritical (if true), however people do change their views over time. 
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#72
06-14-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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I think an all Vietnamese event would be pretty awesome and I would watch the final table on TV. I think an all Vietnamese women's event would be doubly awesome, and would watch that final table on TV as well. [/ QUOTE ] It would be particularly awesome to see a 100-entrant tournament over in three levels.
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#73
06-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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Logic dictates that if she thinks that it's an insult to have a Women's only event, then she should feel that a women's only poker school is the same kind of insult. [/ QUOTE ] I dont know what Duke said b/c the videos not working for me. But I always thought it was a bad idea to have "X ONLY" bracelet events. To me i think every bracelet event should be open to everyone who can cover the buyin. Have a senior event or a women event or a past champions event but dont award a bracelet for it. To me your not a real "WSOP champion" unless its an open event. Yeah Tilly im looking right at you.
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#74
06-14-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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[ QUOTE ] In her book, Annie Duke claims her first wsop event was a womens event. Not sure if she cashed or not, Hendon Mob has no record of it. However, if we go only by what she says, then apparently starting in a womens event helped launch her into poker. I guess she now feels other females should be denied such an opportunity? [/ QUOTE ] This would indeed be hypocritical (if true), however people do change their views over time. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, but writing in your book that the WSOP ladies event launched your career after youre an established pro and then saying it is pointless seems to be a massive case of "forgetting your roots" syndrome.
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#75
06-14-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
I love these Women Only leagues and what not.
#1 Ladies always want to be treated as equals. So why not play with the men in sports? #2 If men suddenly started a Mens Only Poker League, the women would cry and scream about sexism. But it's ok for them to do it because they have been treated unfairly for the last century? Bullocks.
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#76
06-14-2007, 06:16 PM
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Bullocks. [/ QUOTE ] Jim J., Seth, or Sandra?
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#77
06-14-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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#2 If men suddenly started a Mens Only Poker League, the women would cry and scream about sexism. [/ QUOTE ] I doubt it.
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#78
06-14-2007, 06:19 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
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At times, I find Annie Duke to be a know it all and over bearing, yet I think her logic is sound on the opinions she has expressed and she certainly has the right to express them. I don't think she is attempting to speak for all women; rather she is trying to compel women to see the validity of her argument. This is her right and regardless of whether I like her or agree with her, I vigorously defend her right to do so. I have to question the OPs ability to listen and comprehend when she couldn't even discern that Duke was being sarcastic when Duke said Doyle needed the senior’s only event to be successful in the modern poker world. It just shows how little people pay attention and tend to hear what they want to hear. As far as the women’s only event being degrading, I think that is a bit of an over the top description. It can be a gateway for woman to develop the confidence to play in other events, so I'm not convinced it needs to be removed nor do I really care. However, I don't think it’s as prestigious to win this event since the field is effectively cut in half. [/ QUOTE ] I have to say you got me on that point, that's for sure. I have to say I did let others influence me there, as I thought she was indeed at first being sarcastic, but then I had others of my friends who have met her, say she really felt that way (about Doyle). Thus I allowed it to influence my opinion. I don't really know her personally, so I will give her the benifit of the doubt there that if she was being sarcastic there, so be it. As for throwing out everything I said simply because of that one statement, well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. A person who can take what they think is 99 percent bunk and gleam the 1 percent of truth out of something, and learn and grow from it, then that person can become a very wise and perhaps rich person. For instance, as much as I disagree with Annie, one thing I do agree with Annie, is that we do need as women, more of a presence in the other events. However, that said, getting rid of the WSOP WOE event, isn't IMO going to make that many more women play in the other events either. There are other issues preventing women from playing in those other (mixed) events. This as I also think in addition to lack of confidence for beginning women players, that finacial concerns are indeed a huge factor why we are not seeing women in those (mixed) events. I mean Annie has sponsors, most women do not. What ticks me off the most, is Annie presuming to speak for me and women as a whole, and forcing her views on us with her actions and her saying she's working actively to remove the Ladies WSOP event from the WSOP roster. If you think about it, she's acting JUST like the US government is when it comes to how they screwed us when it comes to Online poker (or even online gambling period) access. Uncle Sam says online gambling is baaaaddd for us, so they took steps by passing bad laws to fix it so we can't do it or do it as much as we want to. IMO, Annie is doing the same exact thing. Just because she thinks the event is degrading in HER opionion, she's now using her positon on the WSOP player advisory board, to work to ban the event for all women for 'their best interests' or some crap like that. I also still find it hypocritical that she of all people who wrote in her book (if true as another poster in this thread has stated, because I've not actually read her book myself) that she got her start in the poker world in a Ladies WSOP, yet wants to now fix it so other women can't do that. In addition if she really feels that way, then she should not be teaching a women's only poker acadamy seminar either, given her views. She should be instead encouraging women to be attending mixed poker acadamy classes, and speak to both men and women about how to play against the opposite gender. She's more than welcome to have her views, but at the same time she shouldn't be working to screw it up for the women who enjoy and want to have a WOE at the WSOP.
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#80
06-14-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.
I think the opposite. I think women should be banned from all regular events and only allowed to enter womens' events. They are at such a disadvantage with their smaller brains but probably don't realize it due to said smaller brain.
There is a reason there is a WNBA (less athletic compared to men) and there should also be a WWSOP to compensate for the brain disadvantage. /SW
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