Comment Thread for Debate: The Merits of Anarchocapitalism

[Skidoo]

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Law is a service.

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That's a peculiar designation.

The law is an institutionally enforced system of rules.

A service is voluntary. The law is not.

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Nope.

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That's the most simplified talking point I've seen in a while.

[ShakeZula06]

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Law is a service.

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That's a peculiar designation.

The law is an institutionally enforced system of rules.

A service is voluntary. The law is not.

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Nope.

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That's the most simplified talking point I've seen in a while.

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Perhaps.

[LinusKS]

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It bears pointing out that for the majority of these socities "moved on" by being brutally conquered by foreign statists.

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I agree an inability to provide for national defense is one characteristic of AC-ishness.

I disagree, though, that they were "brutally conquered by foreign statists."

According to Wiki, Celtic Ireland was plagued by waves of Viking raiders, from the ninth century on. Eventually, they colonized Ireland, taking (I assume) whatever land they felt like taking, from whomever happened to live there.

The Vikings are examples of AC-ishness, aren't they?

Or are they only AC-ish when they're forming parliaments in Iceland, and not when they're hacking Irish monks to death?

[LinusKS]

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It's not like one day they were like "Meh, a state (or more of one) is much better, let's do that".

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If you take the American West, for example, the people who lived there formed states and petitioned the Union to join - they weren't "brutally conquered" by anyone.

"Meh, a state (or more of one) is much better, let's do that" is pretty much exactly what they did.

[Yads]

What I'd like AC proponents to explain to me is how are cities planned in an AC society. Is it just decided by who ever owns the land?

If so what happens if I own a nice grocery store next to a wealthy neighborhood. I decide that by tearing down this grocery store and building a pig slaughter house I can make significantly more money. The property owners in the wealthy neighborhood have no recourse against their property values taking a significant dive, but I have done everything within my rights as a land owner.

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What I'd like AC proponents to explain to me is how are cities planned in an AC society. Is it just decided by who ever owns the land?

If so what happens if I own a nice grocery store next to a wealthy neighborhood. I decide that by tearing down this grocery store and building a pig slaughter house I can make significantly more money. The property owners in the wealthy neighborhood have no recourse against their property values taking a significant dive, but I have done everything within my rights as a land owner.

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valenzuela town: where ppl cant build pigs slaughter houses.

[ShakeZula06]

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I agree an inability to provide for national defense is one characteristic of AC-ishness.


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What? Do I have to cite the thousands of times states have been inable to provide national defense? I didn't think it was possible but your arguments are getting worse. If you'd wish to discuss defense in an AC society there are two active ones right now FWIW.
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The Vikings are examples of AC-ishness, aren't they?

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Meh, I guess. The vikings also had a good track record of pillaging states, no one said that AC "national" defense was unstoppable, just better all things being equal.

I take it you've conceded all the other points you haven't addressed?

[Skidoo]

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Law is a service.

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That's a peculiar designation.

The law is an institutionally enforced system of rules.

A service is voluntary. The law is not.

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Nope.

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That's the most simplified talking point I've seen in a while.

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Perhaps.

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Okay, if "nope" is the best you got, then I think we've located yet another hole in the AC Swiss cheese.

[ShakeZula06]

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I also disagree with
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It's not like one day they were like "Meh, a state (or more of one) is much better, let's do that".

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If you take the American West, for example, the people who lived there formed states and petitioned the Union to join - they weren't "brutally conquered" by anyone.

"Meh, a state (or more of one) is much better, let's do that" is pretty much exactly what they did.

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Very clever of you to not quote the entire portion, which leaves out some important information-
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It bears pointing out that for the majority of these socities "moved on" by being brutally conquered by foreign statists. It's not like one day they were like "Meh, a state (or more of one) is much better, let's do that".

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[Yads]

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What I'd like AC proponents to explain to me is how are cities planned in an AC society. Is it just decided by who ever owns the land?

If so what happens if I own a nice grocery store next to a wealthy neighborhood. I decide that by tearing down this grocery store and building a pig slaughter house I can make significantly more money. The property owners in the wealthy neighborhood have no recourse against their property values taking a significant dive, but I have done everything within my rights as a land owner.

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valenzuela town: where ppl cant build pigs slaughter houses.

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Ok that's not really a great answer. Replace pig slaughter house with any other 'undesireable' NIMBY development that is still necessary to have a functioning city. For example a water treatment plant, freeway, high density development, etc. Also I own the land, so what is this valenzuela town all about? Are there mayors in AC land?