**Official uNL Microbrew thread: August**

[prodonkey]

I don't call 32% extremely low.. mine is 36%. Try playing tighter.

[tannenj]

i was referring to his button w$wsf, which was 22.55% over the sample.

with that said, his overall number (32.39%) is ridiculously low, yes, and 36% isn't good either. in fairness, his low w$sd indicates that he's running very poorly, and running that way causes your w$wsf to drop. 3,000 hands is a tiny sample.

if you want to wreck these games, your w$wsf must be higher. anything under 40 and your game probably has a bunch of leaks, but that's just one guy's opinion.

[derosnec]

i should start a thread on set odds. i think our implied odds are much less than we think. i play about a 17/14 game and i get paid off on sets so much less than i would expect (and i table select decently). if i go through my PT and do some calculations i'd probably arrive at a number like 20 to 1, instead of the usual 8.5 to 1 or 10 to 1 or whatever.

[jonyy6788]

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i should start a thread on set odds. i think our implied odds are much less than we think. i play about a 17/14 game and i get paid off on sets so much less than i would expect (and i table select decently). if i go through my PT and do some calculations i'd probably arrive at a number like 20 to 1, instead of the usual 8.5 to 1 or 10 to 1 or whatever.

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I would hope you would have figured that out a long time ago!

especially multi-way you're not gonna paid off on face/x/x rainbow board unless they have overpair

[shoxbb6]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $101.50
Hero (BB): $69.75
UTG: $54.40
MP: $43.60
CO: $15.25
BTN: $81.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, MP calls $1.00, CO folds, BTN calls $1.00, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $19.50

Turn: ($48.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $46.75</font>, BTN calls $46.75

River: ($141.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $141.75 ($3 Rake)

BTN had 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$69.75)
Hero had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Sixes) and WON (+$69.00)

[tannenj]

dbitel/dan bitel did this math a while ago in ssnl. the conclusion was that you need something like 18:1 if you're going to give up without hitting.

[DopamineRelease]

Full Tilt Poker Game #3175616052: Table Boseck (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:31:58 ET - 2007/08/06
Seat 1: sdog97 ($5.55)
Seat 2: Figaro22 ($36.50)
Seat 3: AKAFWhite ($16.65)
Seat 4: mrsunshine27 ($25.85)
Seat 5: DopamineRelease ($24.65)
Seat 6: mothernorth ($47.55)
sdog97 posts the small blind of $0.10
Figaro22 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DopamineRelease [9h 9s]
AKAFWhite calls $0.25
mrsunshine27 raises to $1.25
DopamineRelease calls $1.25
mothernorth folds
sdog97 folds
Figaro22 folds
AKAFWhite folds
*** FLOP *** [9c 8s 3d]
mrsunshine27 bets $2.75
DopamineRelease calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [9c 8s 3d] [Th]
mrsunshine27 bets $9
DopamineRelease raises to $20.65, and is all in
mrsunshine27 calls $11.65
DopamineRelease shows [9h 9s]
mrsunshine27 shows [Ac Ah]
*** RIVER *** [9c 8s 3d Th] [Ad]
DopamineRelease shows three of a kind, Nines
mrsunshine27 shows three of a kind, Aces
mrsunshine27 wins the pot ($47.45) with three of a kind, Aces
DopamineRelease is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.90 | Rake $2.45
Board: [9c 8s 3d Th Ad]
Seat 1: sdog97 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Figaro22 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AKAFWhite folded before the Flop
Seat 4: mrsunshine27 showed [Ac Ah] and won ($47.45) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: DopamineRelease showed [9h 9s] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: mothernorth (button) didn't bet (folded)

Raise flop? [censored] that

[derosnec]

yeah i remember DB's thread, but i'm thinking of going through my database and getting some empirical stuff based on a large # of hands, though it would differ for laggier players. i dunno, might be interesting. might not.

[tannenj]

yeah, raise flop next time to get him off his AA.

[tannenj]

i don't think this idea has much merit; dan's thread covers everything. don't let me stop you, though. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]