My Campus is getting shot up.

[DING-DONG YO]

alright, I have to say it.

I love how when something like this happens everyone asks "how could we stop this in the future?", then a bunch of hair-brained largely ineffective ideas are thrown around (teacher marshalls comes to mind, lawl).

Has anyone ever considered that there really isn't much that can be done to stop a highly motivated individual from going on this kind of rampage short of turning a college into a prison? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose of college anyway?

Haven't there been shootings like this in office buildings before (remember the guy from Atlanta a few years back?)? Are we supposed to lock them down and have random armed marshalls walking around every office?

Does it make sense to do that on every college campus?

Maybe stricter gun control would have prevented this guy from getting access to firearms, maybe more liberal conceal and carry laws meant that civilians could have stopped him way before the body count got as high as it did. Who can say either way?

I guess my point is that there really isn't any way to prevent this kind of senseless crime, so why turn society upside down trying to find a way?

[vin17]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/20...034474-ap.html
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The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was identified Tuesday as a English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school’s counseling service.

News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic, and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans“ on campus.

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[larsjones]

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alright, I have to say it.

I love how when something like this happens everyone asks "how could we stop this in the future?", then a bunch of hair-brained largely ineffective ideas are thrown around (teacher marshalls comes to mind, lawl).

Has anyone ever considered that there really isn't much that can be done to stop a highly motivated individual from going on this kind of rampage short of turning a college into a prison? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose of college anyway?

Haven't there been shootings like this in office buildings before (remember the guy from Atlanta a few years back?)? Are we supposed to lock them down and have random armed marshalls walking around every office?

Does it make sense to do that on every college campus?

Maybe stricter gun control would have prevented this guy from getting access to firearms, maybe more liberal conceal and carry laws meant that civilians could have stopped him way before the body count got as high as it did. Who can say either way?

I guess my point is that there really isn't any way to prevent this kind of senseless crime, so why turn society upside down trying to find a way?

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I think one way to decrease such instances is to stop keeping score. Every single one of us who has read the entire thread can say how many people are dead. The idiots who do this kind of thing care about the body count. I think they want to go down in history as the biggest and baddest.

[Ontario_Tory]

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Maybe stricter gun control would have prevented this guy from getting access to firearms, maybe more liberal conceal and carry laws meant that civilians could have stopped him way before the body count got as high as it did. Who can say either way?

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I don't know why, but this paragraph struck me as one of the most intelligent summaries of the whole gun control debate I've ever heard. Like the abortion debate, you have two sides feeling uber-strong about their views, which causes them to not even see things from the other point of view. So the intelligent debates degrade into personal attacks...

Adds to the sadness of the situation...

[the crabs]

I used to go up to Minnesota every summer and a lot of people had guns there. I knew some people that would put shotguns on racks in their trucks. I definitely wouldn't want to be cowarding behind a desk thinking about what I could do if I had a gun, while some batshit moron is spraying bullets everywhere. I know gun safety and I would never pull a gun on someone unless they pulled it on me.

If someone wants to carry a gun fine but if they screw up, then i think we should bring back the eye for an eye theory.

the second paragraph was a joke for you hippie morons that think we shouldn't carry guns.

[Gildwulf]

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My sincere condolences to all the families that have lost a beloved member and to everyone who was affected by this.

Also, rest in peace Mr. Liviu Librescu, the 77 years old Romanian Teacher who was the one blocking one of the classroom doors so that the students can jump. He was killed through the door.
"Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the man attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived - because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad - told Army Radio.

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe."
He was Romanian, and a great mind and had to flee to Israel because of the old dictator here.

May the victims of this horrible thing rest in peace!

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serious hero

[BowToYourSensei]

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alright, I have to say it.

I love how when something like this happens everyone asks "how could we stop this in the future?", then a bunch of hair-brained largely ineffective ideas are thrown around (teacher marshalls comes to mind, lawl).

Has anyone ever considered that there really isn't much that can be done to stop a highly motivated individual from going on this kind of rampage short of turning a college into a prison? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose of college anyway?

Haven't there been shootings like this in office buildings before (remember the guy from Atlanta a few years back?)? Are we supposed to lock them down and have random armed marshalls walking around every office?

Does it make sense to do that on every college campus?

Maybe stricter gun control would have prevented this guy from getting access to firearms, maybe more liberal conceal and carry laws meant that civilians could have stopped him way before the body count got as high as it did. Who can say either way?

I guess my point is that there really isn't any way to prevent this kind of senseless crime, so why turn society upside down trying to find a way?

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agreed. every single potential solution has so many drawbacks that they're just flat out unpheasable.

stricter gun control: just like drug control, right? killers can still get guns.

looser gun control: everyone has a gun! hooray! deterrance isn't applicable when everyone at a frat party is piss drunk and 60% of them are carrying. in situations like this, sure, the killer has no chance, but in the long run, more people will be killed than because of one incident.

gun marshalls: ........... how many teachers would seriously want to be carrying a gun on them whenever they go to class?

the best thing anybody can do is beef up security and pray (hire additional campus police, for example) beyond that, there is no solution that works. not yet anyway.

[punkass]

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/i...ech_convocation

new updates, at least to me include:

"But the Chicago Tribune quoted investigative sources as saying Cho, who was studying English literature, left behind an invective-filled note and had shown recent signs of aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women."

"A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, the Chicago Tribune said."

"In Italy, the leftist Il Manifesto newspaper said the shooting was "as American as apple pie.""

[DING-DONG YO]

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"In Italy, the leftist Il Manifesto newspaper said the shooting was "as American as apple pie.""

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WTF is that? Facist leftovers?

And before you guys flame Italians, keep in mind that this newspaper is obv printed by some goofy fringe group and not representative of Italians.

lol if Reuters cited it.

[boomshakalaka]

if you infact did have a gun, went to retrieve it and then went to be a hero by confronting the shooter.. I bet it would be fun once the swat rolls up and sees you, a student, with a gun, shooting at another student..

gg your life.