** Official September Chat Thread: The Grey Swan **

[Mike Kelley]

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for those of you saying never to fold a set

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD


thats a whole lot of great players telling him to c/f SECOND (not bottom) set in a raised pot. There are spots guys, but its going to be very situation dependent and its pretty hard to tell in most of the hands posted in this forum.

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Anybody want to make a prop bet that if we come back and make that same post in about 3 months with the subject line being Jackpot!!!! instead of WTF??? We will get a different list of responses?

[RiverMustelid]

First ever post in NVG and it gets deleted...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6981209.stm

Anyway, it seems that Pavarotti (rest in peace) as well as being a great singer was a keen poker player.

In other news I am being lazy today and have played about 4 hands in total.

[Mr_Donktastic]

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I thought you had a lady Donk?

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Yeah I do that was just a drunk post.

I didn't expect anything to go down with this girl, she is just a friend. And if somehow something did start to happen I'd have to stop it...eventually [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[diebitter]

This hand annoyed me a bit, and I think marked the lowpoint of a still-running 15BI downswing
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($49)
MP1 ($32.80)
MP2 ($46.25)
MP3 ($10.45)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($16.35)
Hero ($46.75)
BB ($60.25)
UTG ($57.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, Button folds, Hero calls $6.50, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $59.75</font>, MP1 calls $24.30 (All-In), Hero calls $38.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($126.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($126.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $126.80

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 7h 7d (full house, sevens full of kings).
BB has 4c Ks (full house, kings full of fours).
MP1 has 8d Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins $140.30. </font>

[Mike Kelley]

Geez, what a luck sack drooler.

[SABR42]

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This hand annoyed me a bit, and I think marked the lowpoint of a still-running 15BI downswing
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($49)
MP1 ($32.80)
MP2 ($46.25)
MP3 ($10.45)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($16.35)
Hero ($46.75)
BB ($60.25)
UTG ($57.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, Button folds, Hero calls $6.50, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $59.75</font>, MP1 calls $24.30 (All-In), Hero calls $38.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($126.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($126.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $126.80

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 7h 7d (full house, sevens full of kings).
BB has 4c Ks (full house, kings full of fours).
MP1 has 8d Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins $140.30. </font>

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Ouch, 1-out on the river.

LOL at MP with top pair no kicker though.

[CaptVimes]

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for those of you saying never to fold a set

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD


thats a whole lot of great players telling him to c/f SECOND (not bottom) set in a raised pot. There are spots guys, but its going to be very situation dependent and its pretty hard to tell in most of the hands posted in this forum.

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Anybody want to make a prop bet that if we come back and make that same post in about 3 months with the subject line being Jackpot!!!! instead of WTF??? We will get a different list of responses?

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Post titles have a lot to do with the advice that's given. For instance whenever someone has a title like "Am I ever good here?", you start only seeing monster hand ranges for villain in replies. I know I have been guilty of tipping off results in either the title or in whatever I type about the hand, and I wish more micro players would stop doing this.

[SABR42]

I love donks who play any ace and cannot fold top pair:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $253.35
BB: $261.40
UTG: $133.00
UTG+1: $164.60
MP1: $263.70
MP2: $227.80
MP3: $171.00
CO: $242.75
Hero (BTN): $244.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
4 folds, MP3 calls $2.00, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 2 folds, MP3 calls $8.00

Flop: ($23) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, MP3 calls $16.00

Turn: ($55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $38.00</font>, MP3 calls $38.00

River: ($131) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $128.00</font>, MP3 calls all-in for $107.00
Uncalled bet of $21.00 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $345.00 ($3 Rake)

MP3 had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$171.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$171.00)

[seki]

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I love donks who play any ace and cannot fold top pair:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $253.35
BB: $261.40
UTG: $133.00
UTG+1: $164.60
MP1: $263.70
MP2: $227.80
MP3: $171.00
CO: $242.75
Hero (BTN): $244.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
4 folds, MP3 calls $2.00, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 2 folds, MP3 calls $8.00

Flop: ($23) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, MP3 calls $16.00

Turn: ($55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $38.00</font>, MP3 calls $38.00

River: ($131) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP3 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $128.00</font>, MP3 calls all-in for $107.00
Uncalled bet of $21.00 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $345.00 ($3 Rake)

MP3 had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$171.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$171.00)

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This gives a warm fuzzy feeling that people still do this at 200NL. Who said the games had dried up?

[Cry Me A River]

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Post titles have a lot to do with the advice that's given. For instance whenever someone has a title like "Am I ever good here?", you start only seeing monster hand ranges for villain in replies. I know I have been guilty of tipping off results in either the title or in whatever I type about the hand, and I wish more micro players would stop doing this.


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This is an excellent point! Descriptive subjects will get you a lot more response then generic ones, particularly for unusual or difficult situations but you really should just be objectively describing the current action or situation. Avoiding editorialising is key to getting untainted replies.