Why do I keep calling these? Because I should? Tell me, please

[DaycareInferno]

there's like a zillion A6/A7/56/ss/wutever hands that people semi with on the turn, not to mention the face that a lot of people are going to float and raise turn with absolutely nothing some of the time. an unknown's range here is ridiculously wide, and we are oop.

[K䲰䮥n]

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an unknown's range here is ridiculously wide, and we are oop.

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you'll find reads on my (very messy) manually converted OP

[thac]

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an unknown's range here is ridiculously wide, and we are oop.

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you'll find reads on my (very messy) manually converted OP

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Stats are not reads.

[goofyballer]

[x] bvb vs a reg
[x] reps exactly 44/55 sometimes 77 rarely AQ
[ ] hero should fold trips

[K䲰䮥n]

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an unknown's range here is ridiculously wide, and we are oop.

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you'll find reads on my (very messy) manually converted OP

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Stats are not reads.

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well player is not unknown as stated above if I have stats on him. reads is wrong word, yes, but you're being a nit now.

(for the record i learned a lot from your posts at uNL. no war, please ) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[thac]

For the record, I'd rather shove than call here because what are we gonna do on the river if we hit spades/two pair/trips? Check two pair and trips, open shove spades? We're just in a bad spot on the river when we hit, and we're in a bad spot when we miss. I think the turn is shove or fold after he raises us.

Also, to those saying c/c turn... lol?! What are we hoping he bets for us other than a complete float? Also, leads me to the question above, do we check/call and shove when we hit spades, and then c/c when we hit two pair and trips?

[thac]

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an unknown's range here is ridiculously wide, and we are oop.

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you'll find reads on my (very messy) manually converted OP

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Stats are not reads.

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well player is not unknown as stated above if I have stats on him. reads is wrong word, yes, but you're being a nit now.

(for the record i learned a lot from your posts at uNL. no war, please ) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Sorry for being a nit, but you just can't say he's 15/12 so he's not an unknown.

[LOwrestling2001]

i know it's BvB...but against a 15/12 w/o further reads, I think the turn is more of a fold after he raises us because against such a player we have no FE. He's not likely to have floated you with 86s on the flop, and he's not raising you with a weaker Q. I suppose you could shove over this but I don't think he'll be folding very often, and all the times he's calling you can probably be sure that you'll be behind. As played, I think don't think we're good here enough to call the river, but I don't think I would fold this in the moment.

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Why not C/C the turn?

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Because thats a pretty great turn card for us, and villain hasn't shown signs of having a better hand.

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yeah but betting still does turn your hand into a bluff doesnt it?

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Is this a level? Or do you mean vs. this villain?

Many villains could have many worse hands that they will call here with.

[74o_Clownsuit]

lol bet bet bet turn all day especially if you'll bet worse here.

Remember sometimes the Villain is putting us on a range too guys.