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09-28-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
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[ QUOTE ] jesus christ just when i thought ppl couldnt get more stupid [/ QUOTE ] Judging by your past posts, which seem to consist largely of one-line post equivalents of grunts, you're not exactly Einstein yourself. And if you want to compare graduate degrees, I'd be more than happy to do so, sport. As far as my post to which you responded so eloquently, Ivey is in fact up on Aba in the HU games that I've seen and he has a reputation as being one of the top players in the world. That being the case, my statement that Jman must be really good if he's +ev against Ivey seems to be accurate to me. Of course, I seriously doubt that JMAn is in fact +ev against Ivey, but I like JMan so I didn't want to say so outright. [/ QUOTE ] you wont get someone to see sense about Jman when he has the clown in his avatar dude. You are wasting your breath trying. They are in the live<online crowd, we're in the real life crowd. 
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#65
09-28-2007, 02:49 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In particular, his stop-loss strategy and tendency to buy in short means you're VERY unlikely to take him for a big score. He quits as soon as he starts to lose. So why does anyone play him? [/ QUOTE ] You're right. Ivey has figured out a stop loss strategy that makes it -EV to play him. Unexploitable. [/ QUOTE ] If you're being ironic, I don't care. The guy quits when he's down at most 100k , what you going to do? Your losses will be bigger than your wins. [/ QUOTE ] Stop loss strategy's are only good if you play worse when losing. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with this part. There are other considerations here that people rarely consider. These are mostly image related and it's hard for me to accurately explain them but I'm pretty sure they do exist. I've always quit playing HU when i lost a couple buyins and I can't emphasize how much that has helped me. Simply put, it's just really hard to play anyone, much less a WCP, when he has the momentum in the match. tc
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#66
09-28-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
This thread is tilting me pretty bad, thank god I only play $5 sngs...
The more and more I read posts by jman, the more egomaniacal I think he is getting, but that is not what is tilting me. The guy saying Ivey cannot beat 3/6 nl online has his head firmly up his ass. I think that internet players are way better than your typical live breed but give me a #%#@ing break, Ivey could dominate any level if he puts his mind to it. And if Negreanu played optimally he would crush 3/6 NL especially with the additional action he'd get from name recognition. If you do not think Negreanu could beat 3/6 nl (albeit if he decided to TRY), then you clearly have not seen this season of HSP, the guy is not 1/10th the donk this forums make him out to be, and I think its time to give him a break. ps - i am not even a negreanu "fan" but his skills are vastly underrated on these forums if it has gotten to the point where he has no chance @ 3/6
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#67
09-28-2007, 03:07 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
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#68
09-28-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In particular, his stop-loss strategy and tendency to buy in short means you're VERY unlikely to take him for a big score. He quits as soon as he starts to lose. So why does anyone play him? [/ QUOTE ] You're right. Ivey has figured out a stop loss strategy that makes it -EV to play him. Unexploitable. [/ QUOTE ] If you're being ironic, I don't care. The guy quits when he's down at most 100k , what you going to do? Your losses will be bigger than your wins. [/ QUOTE ] Stop loss strategy's are only good if you play worse when losing. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with this part. There are other considerations here that people rarely consider. These are mostly image related and it's hard for me to accurately explain them but I'm pretty sure they do exist. I've always quit playing HU when i lost a couple buyins and I can't emphasize how much that has helped me. Simply put, it's just really hard to play anyone, much less a WCP, when he has the momentum in the match. tc [/ QUOTE ] I have to agree with this. Certain metagame issues come into play that make it harder to win in a HU match after you started off losing. I feel them when I play, hard to explain though. One that I can explain is pretty simple. When you start off losing, even if you're not on tilt, your opponent will likely suspect that you are tilting. This will make it more difficult to bluff profitably because your opponent can justify light calls with, 'he's probably on tilt'. You could counter by saying that it is not bad for us that our opponent is calling lighter, but I think that a situation in which we can profitably bluff frequently is better. If you adjust perfectly by value betting thinner and bluffing less I guess you'd be ok, but I think that strategy is much more difficult to play well.
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#69
09-28-2007, 03:16 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
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Ivey could dominate any level if he puts his mind to it. If you do not think Negreanu could beat 3/6 nl (albeit if he decided to TRY) [/ QUOTE ] This whole argument is useless because even though these points are mentioned they seem to get overlooked. One side is arguing that if these players jumped into 3/6nl right now there is a good chance they would lose. The other is saying that given some time to adjust to the games they would likely crush it. Both of those statements could be true, so what are you arguing about?
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#70
09-28-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Phil Ivey vs. Jman 300/600
yeah, i agree 100% with this. good post.
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