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10-21-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: Please Stop Talking About Assertions 1-5
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[ QUOTE ] Uh, no it's not. It takes faith to believe in something without evidence. It doesn't take faith to lack a belief in something without evidence. [/ QUOTE ] But there is evidence. (And quite a bit of it). [/ QUOTE ] Evidence that the GOD OF THE BIBLE actually exists? Please share. And you better not refer to some vague concept like complexity and infer that Heaven must thus exist. 
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#62
10-21-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: Reasonable Assertions About Personal God Except One
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Do you guys really thing God is in hell with a pair of tweesers and a crobar and is going to town on all of the people who chose to ignore him? He isn't. [/ QUOTE ] If people are suffering horribly as a result of how God's creation works, then he might as well be directly responsible for that suffering. He is the sole ultimate cause of it, and presumably he is also the one who created the torments of hell (or empowered whoever did create them - Satan's superhuman powers must stem from God, in any case). Furthermore, he decided to create just such a reality - one of torture for the majority of people. And he could prevent or eliminate this suffering effortlessly. This is particularly true given that we can easily imagine alternatives that are superior to hell based on every logical standard. For instance, God could simply destroy people - or he could create "pocket universes" for each person (customized afterlife) - or he could make a kind of purgatory for everyone instead - or he could allow everyone to suffer until they've paid for their deeds, but not eternally - or he could have them continue to live (in whatever form) until they finally come around and accept Jesus. I could go on. Hell is simply not compatible with a loving God.
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#63
10-22-2007, 06:27 AM
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Re: Reasonable Assertions About Personal God Except One
1. In my view, this is the only sensible case for a deity.
2. This is nonsense. There is no reason a transcendental deity should be good, bad or indifferent. By what standard could he, she or it be judged? 3. You probably meant to say "if" he was good. But he would not necessarily make himself known. It's only from your point of view, our point of view I mean, that his doing that would be good. It's perfectly possible that we cannot comprehend the standard the deity uses to judge what's good. 4. I can't think why he'd bother. That's a problem with the whole worship thing. It's hard to see why a transcendental being *needs* that. 5. This is ridiculous. He is omniscient and already knows how they will react. If you're going to play theology, David, you're going to need to think a lot harder than this. 6. I doubt anyone actually believes in a god like that. It's too incoherent. Only someone who has never really thought about god or gods -- which is you, this post makes it clear -- would even suggest it.
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#64
10-22-2007, 06:52 AM
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Re: Please Stop Talking About Assertions 1-5
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But there is evidence. (And quite a bit of it). [/ QUOTE ] No, there isn't. How many times have we been at this? Like most others in your position, you'll have us refute all your wishful thinking-based arguments for a couple weeks or so, only to later claim that it's a matter of faith, not evidence. Of course. We knew that from the get-go. Let's just save us the trouble this time?
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