Best fighting style for real-life situations

[elrudo]

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Russian Martial Arts, hands down.

http://www.russianmartialart.com/

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Too little love for this post.

This guy does 'Russian martial art' (systema)

Very funny stuff.

[quirkasaurus]

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The correct answer is modern MMA as a foundation, with all the necessary throat, eye, ear, groin stuff added.

You have to know the 'gimmicky' stuff, because they are like knockouts, you can get one in a flash and win the fight. But you also can't think that they are all you need to know, and a lot of martial arts waste WAYYYYYYYYY too much time with stupid 'i gouge your eyes, strike your throat and rip your ear off'. Sure, but have you ever actually done it to a resisting partner? That's what i thought.

Train with modern MMA as your base, because you can simulate getting taken down, taking a guy down, choking, joint manipulation, striking, defending striking, etc. You can actually PROVE that you can do these things, and master them against resisting partners. Without this base you will be going for some longshot 'deadly' technique that you've never actually pulled off before (unless you regularly get into life-or-death street fights). After you are solidly skilled at MMA, consider learning eye gouging, fish hooking, finger manipulation, throat strikes, groin strikes, pressure points, etc. But these things on their own are more likely to get you killed than to save you.

If you are looking for an individual art,

Jiu jistu
Boxing
Muay Thai
Wrestling
Judo

Are the basis of 99% of modern MMA.

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We're real close on agreeing here, Snowball.

Except that from my experience with the Muay Thai style of
fighting, is that it is close to worthless against
strong opponents. The kicks are fast, yes, but they
lack the kind of power to really stop anyone strong.

To stop a jiu jistu guy from flat out tackling you,
you must hit him head on with a lot of force. These
kicks that come from the side and hit on the side
would do nothing to impeded his forward progress.
The Muay Thai fighter would be swallowed up unless
he happened to land a miracle haymaker.

My karate style is very aggressive and the kicks
are designed for maximum force head on. To someone
charging me head on, he would be running full force
straight into my power. That's why I like my style
over straight jiu jitsu.

But fighting styles can be venue dependent.

On a hard surface, with walls, I like my style.
On a hilly terrain, I like jiu jitsu.
Underwater, I'd have to go with Dai To Yu, the
joint lock stuff.

But I think we're in enough agreement to call it
a consensus:

American karate
Jiu jistu
boxing
dai to yu
judo

American Karate ( my style, yes, it was full-contact,
for clarity, I've included boxing separately, but it
was actually incorporate into my style also. )
Jiu jistu
Boxing
Dai To Yu - ( instead of wrestling -- all the locks
and pins and stuff are designed to break things. )
Judo -- sure, why not, although I never sparred someone
with a lot of judo training, so I wouldn't know off hand
if the stuff would even work if someone didn't have a
shirt on, for example, since so many of the techniques
rely on someone wearing thick, tear-proof clothing.

Fun convo. ( although, i maaaay be biased towards
my own style. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

[BuckyK]

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Except that from my experience with the Muay Thai style of
fighting, is that it is close to worthless against
strong opponents. The kicks are fast, yes, but they
lack the kind of power to really stop anyone strong.


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If a person really knows how to throw a thai kick, then it's going to be the equivalent of hitting someone with a 50 pound baseball bat being swung about 60-80 mph. These kicks kill people, they break legs, and they crack ribs. I'm sure your kicks are strong as hell, and given they are straight on going for the face they hurt, but a small sidestep while shooting is just going to make your strike glance off them, where a thai kick to the upper thigh will break the leg of a guy who hasn't been trained to absorb them, or it will dislocate their hip if its a kick to the inner thigh.

But, we're talking about a streetfight, and most guys who are well adept at BJJ don't normally get into streetfights to kill you, they may just put you to sleep for their own defensive purposes. So either style (your karate or Muay Thai) will end the fight relatively fast.

[Blarg]

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what do the elite of the military use?

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The Gracies have trained certain branches of the US militaries special forces in BJJ.

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So have very many other styles.

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Plenty of judo stuff doesn't need a gi.

When you talk about the weaknesses of thai kicks, I think you're a little mixed up. Thai kicks are not actually all that fast, and pretty telegraphic. But the roundhouses are very, very strong.

Your point that a roundhouse kick may not throw off a guy coming into it at the wrong time is true of every type of kick and punch. Versus a charging grappler, landing a full power strike of any kind is hard. Same as versus a charging striker.

The battle between take-down artist and striker is all about timing, not about striking styles. We can no more assume the take-down man is always in the middle of a charge that would negate the effect of a blow than we can assume that he never will be, and won't be able to dodge, parry, or block a blow, either. It makes no sense to say blows from one style will have bad timing but those from another will not. It's not about styles. The question is whether any blow will have good timing.

[Fractured_simile]

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say you are in a war and really wanna kill or disabilitate someone 1vs1, both unarmed, wich style is the best to know?

I've seen a LOT of people say that Brasilian Jiu Jitsu is best because it wins alot at UFC and all, also some people say Muay thai is good, but It's hard to believe all those fancy bruce-lee kung fu/shaolin styles are not at all effective. and If jiujitsu is best is that what they teach in the military?

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BJJ, and it's not close: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gj0ax63DBow

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Plenty of judo stuff doesn't need a gi.

When you talk about the weaknesses of thai kicks, I think you're a little mixed up. Thai kicks are not actually all that fast, and pretty telegraphic. But the roundhouses are very, very strong.

Your point that a roundhouse kick may not throw off a guy coming into it at the wrong time is true of every type of kick and punch. Versus a charging grappler, landing a full power strike of any kind is hard. Same as versus a charging striker.


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Yeah, QFT, no thai fighter would try to roundhouse a charging grappler, they'd go for a knee to the face, or just sprawl. You're right that the thai roundhouse is a pure power kick, it's very heavy, with a straighter leg and lots of weight behind it; it comes from the hip. It's very different than like a Tae Kwon Do snap roundhouse which comes from the knee.

The "tip" (teep) is indeed weak, but that's a weird move that's unique to thai boxing and wouldn't really be used in a street fight.

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Why do people think that the military would be good at unarmed combat? They fight with weapons.

That said, if engaged in unarmed combat, find a freaking weapon.

The styles used in MMA are the only ones that have been proven to be effective. Maybe Krav Maga or whatever the [censored] is good but how are you supposed to tell?

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Actually most of the older styles have been proven effective in war, policing, and security roles. Back when these things were a matter of life and death, not a television event.

[cbloom]

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The styles used in MMA are the only ones that have been proven to be effective at winning mma tournaments.

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