Small stakes, live tipping advice?

[Brokeski]

i didn't have any problems whatsoever, it was my friend who was mistreated.

[Gonso]

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I normally tip at least a $1 playing $1-2, except when I steal the blinds or win a pot say less than $10. Maybe $2 for $50-$150 and 3+ for upward of that. Rough estimates and I sometime tip more/less depending on the night I'm having and the dealer.

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That's about normal for me when I play, this is the standard for the games I play/deal in. Maybe a little extra but all dealers generally tip a little better (it's kind of expected).

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Which leads me to this question: IS it wrong to stiff a dealer who dealt you a bad beat during the session? I recently did this and I feel fine about it, would like to hear what you guys think though. It was a $600 pot and she dealt a crushing river so I decided to not give her another dime.

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No comment, but I am morbidly curious to see the responses to this.

[dudemanjack]

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Which leads me to this question: IS it wrong to stiff a dealer who dealt you a bad beat during the session? I recently did this and I feel fine about it, would like to hear what you guys think though. It was a $600 pot and she dealt a crushing river so I decided to not give her another dime.

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If you suck-out a huge pot, do you give the dealer more?


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What's really funny is that, where I work, cocktail waitresses usually make more than the toke rate.

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I'm pretty sure this is the case everywhere in Atlantic City . However they work way harder than anyone else and probably deal with more BS than anyone in the entire casino.

[jjshabado]

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Which leads me to this question: IS it wrong to stiff a dealer who dealt you a bad beat during the session? I recently did this and I feel fine about it, would like to hear what you guys think though. It was a $600 pot and she dealt a crushing river so I decided to not give her another dime.

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You 'should' be tipping based on how well they do their job. Giving you good cards isn't their job. So unless the bad beat was from some sort of major dealer error, you toke them as normal from then on.

[SellingtheDrama]

I don't consider a bad beat as coming from the dealer, just part of the game (granted one I don't like). They don't affect my tips.

I tip a standard dollar (my card protector dollar) any pot. I don't tip if I steal the blinds, unless its the case below. I do tip at least 2-3 for a major pot (stacking off someone); generally because its a long hand.

I do tip more to dealers that I know because I'm a semi-regular at the room I play at. I know who the good dealers are, so I always tip the higher range the first pot I drag in their down. People that have done a good job over time are the ones I want to keep around. So I take care of them.

[Brad1970]

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I play 1/2 no limit and I tip at least $1 every hand. I don't have an exact science to how I tip but the quality/professionalism of the dealer counts as well. Yeah, tipping more might dig into my winnings, but for christ sake, it's 1/2 no limit. It's not a living, just a hobby.

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That's almost exactly my attitude and my approach. Like I said above, I'm not saying $1/hand is right nor $10/hand. I myself toke $1 on essentially any hand I don't lose money on (if I pull a $20 side pot but lose the main after betting $110 I likely ain't toking). I toke on high hand jackpots. I toke for bad beat jackpots. (Both of these hold up the dealer and the table.) And yeah, I do actually toke more for large pots than small ones. But that's because I want to, not because I'd be a cheap bastard if I didn't.

It was just the attitude expressed above that toking $1 on a $500 pot was a total insult and might as well not even be given that set me off... That is sooooo completely wrong. And in private chats with several dealers I respect they all say quietly that $1/hand is enough to keep 'em happy, and they have issues with dealers who believe $1 is an insult in exchange for a $200 pot.

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I really could care less whether that set you off or not. I was simply stressing the point that I see good dealers who deal with obnoxious drunks with a smile on their face while keep the game moving for the rest of us getting stiffed on a regular basis. I did not mean that a $1 tip was too little or that a $10 is too much...simply stressing the fact that these idiots are throwing money around the table like it grows on trees & are tipping very little if any. They don't mind tipping the half dressed cocktail waitress with her [censored] hanging out every time she brings them another beer. If that comment wounded your inner child...sorry.

[PoorLawyer]

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If you were winning pots for 5 and 6 figure sums, you would tip five dollars? i would tip 100 minimum anytime i won a pot. Im sure I will get called an idiot for this, but if i was that fortunate financialy, i would be very generous with my money. and on top of it its the classy thing to do in my opinion. I dont see how you can argue it not being classy.

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They do the same amount of work whether its a $50 pot or a $5,000 pot.

[Tiny TBone]

I generally tip a buck on medium size pots and larger... a huge pot, maybe $2.

If a dealer has done something extraordinary I'll consider tipping more... but in my experience that happens somewhat infrequently

[Wongboy]

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Which leads me to this question: IS it wrong to stiff a dealer who dealt you a bad beat during the session? I recently did this and I feel fine about it, would like to hear what you guys think though. It was a $600 pot and she dealt a crushing river so I decided to not give her another dime.

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I base my tip on things that are in the dealers control. If I believed that a dealer had control over the cards that I was being dealt, I would leave the room immediately.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I will tip more when I am drinking. I just assume that I am more obnoxious when I am drunk, so the dealer deserves some more $$.

[leykis]

I think its funny that no one has mentioned that the dealers who work full time get paid much much much more than any other job of equivalent skill level other than strippers. (And I would argue that being a stripper requires much more "skill")

The dealers that work full time in the Bay Area pull in close to 80K a year.

They did not have to go to college, attain a huge skill set through work experience, or handle problems that take considerable more grey matter than splitting an 8 or better pot. I would equate dealing with maybe being a checker at a grocery store, or perhaps a assistant manager at McDonalds. The only reason that dealers get so much money is because poker players in general do not understand the value of money and give far far far too much money to dealers.

I would love to see the day when everyone waits until the end of a dealers 30min and tips if they are up for that half hour 1 dollar per pot that they won. That would cut the dealers take by about half which is about where it should be.

And if the dealer is bad I would tip nothing. There is no motivation to improve if a dealer gets a dollar for every pot they deal regardless of their attitude.