AJo after 6 limpers

[Hi5]

An important factor for me here is my read on the approximate preflop range and the postflop play of the limpers, if I know them. Against unknowns, I am generally limping AJo, so that I can assess the table cheaply. I know a few players at my local casino who do not raise AKo, so raising AJo or AQo in position against them is not necessarily a good idea.

[Chino987]

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An important factor for me here is my read on the approximate preflop range and the postflop play of the limpers, if I know them. Against unknowns, I am generally limping AJo, so that I can assess the table cheaply. I know a few players at my local casino who do not raise AKo, so raising AJo or AQo in position against them is not necessarily a good idea.

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this not mean they have AK or AQ though.

anyone know the odds of someone holding a better ace on a 10 person table when you hold AJ?

[PENTE]

I think this is a dongerous Hand. I would never raise this hand. Sometimes I yould never play this hand.
If you just call, you comitt as few money as possible in the pot for seeing a Flop that could give you a winning hand. With your hand you have a good chance of flopping top-pair because A-J are high cards. If you flop top pair you have good chances to take the pot if nobody can finish his drewing hand at the river. Due to the 8 small bets in the pot it is likly that somebody with a good drew (OESD,FD) will find his odds to go to the river. (If you raise preflop even worse drews or small pairs will find the correct odds)
A further point is that you need not be in front right now, because it is possible that somebody in early position limpt with AA, KK, QQ hoping for a raise in later position.
Moreover you are not in front preflop against any small pair and there need not to be only one small pair because people like to limp with small pairs too.
Due to the odds I would call and hope to get a J or an Ace with a rainbow flop and cards far away of each other. If I do not hit the Flop I'm gone because it is likly that anybody has a pair or even better.

If you are dicussing about AK at this stage I would not raise as well, because if you do not hit the flop you have only two overcards. If you should hit it on the turn or river it may give you the second best hand.

I'm looing forward to your reaktions. Thanks.

[ChuckyB]

Off-suit it's a call. AJo is a good hand relative to what people are limping with. But I would like the opportunity to force someone out on the flop or turn. Easier to do that in a 9-bet pot instead of a 14-18 bet pot.

Limping increases your post-flop expectation. Ax and Jx are going to pay through the nose since you limped.

AJs is a raise. AQo in this spot, I've been about 50/50 in the past. AKo is a raise.

[threeducks]

fwtw - I limp in this spot with AJo and after 6 limpers I might limp with AQo as well.

[Chino987]

wow i see it's a dead heat!

fwiw i said limp PF, and i can get stupid aggro PF sometimes.

is KQo a limp too for most here?

[Xhad]

Wow this is a lot of posts without anyone even trying to give some numbers. I realize your postflop EV is hard to quantify here but it would help the discussion if the people posting knew exactly how much preflop EV one from a raise. I'd do it myself but my stove is outdated and I can't get to the site right now, but I've run numbers in the past and found that AJ/KQ are about breakeven in a large field of loose limpers, while AT/KJ are at a defecit and AQ has a small but significant edge. All offsuit of course.

And since there seems to be some dispute on this point, SSH does indeed suggest limping in this spot, in a footnote:

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If the pot is already many-handed, perhaps five or six limpers, consider just limping with AJ and KQ. Your preflop edge is relatively small, and your call should give you strategic advantages which can make up for your small theoretical loss from not raising by allowing you to outplay your opponents after the flop.

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[Stu Pidasso]

Generally speaking:

Against a field of retards its a raise.
If there are a few semi-decent players in the hand it becomes a call.

That being said, there are likely specific factors which would cause me to change from those general tactics.

Stu

[Befolder]

Limp.

Our money is mostly made post flop, we make our decision much easier w/ a smaller pot to start and can make our opponents make mistakes also. We can't really make them do anything if we bloat it early.

We sacrifice very little positive EV preflop here in order to maximize large advantages after three more cards are seen.

[NormandySD]

Raise to thin not for value. Plan to check behind on a miss and fold without pairing. If you pair... your gonna be glad the blinds are out.