Never fold KK preflop, right?!?!?

[aislephive]

lol.

[jlkrusty]

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lol.

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Yeah, this hand taught me two things:

1. My opponents are usually on a wider range of hands than I put them on; and
2. Never fold KK preflop.

Lol.

[AceCR9]

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I folded them a week ago preflop, and i think this is an EZ fold without reads on MP being a donk, AceCR9, wow, your getting stacked here then

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thanks for letting me know how wrong I was. I really appreciate the advice.

[duh]

Isn't MP being short reason enough to not fold here?

Is a 75bb stack really folding QQ/AKs preflop? No WAY!!

[ocklind]

ofc u can fold KK. fold right here

[snakekilla88]

When I originally read this thread, I agreed completely with yellowsubs below statement.

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the 600nl game plays too crazy to ever be laying down kk pre for 1 buyin.

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Yep!

[Josh.]

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Based on this analysis, I should just shove. Josh, is that what you conclude?

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that looks right. also realize that this is super conservative (i didn't take into account the stars-factor where AJo is the nuts)

regarding the 28%, it's just AA(6) + KK(1)/[AA(6) + KK(1) + QQ(6) + AK (12)], though i definitely should've included JJ, probably TT, and a 5-10% bluff factor. that all obviously benefits you

there's also a little problem in that you're 25 bb deeper with SB, who *should* have AA/KK, and that 25 bb as a 4-1 dog comes right off the top of the EV of the other 75 bb vs those 2.

as a sidenote i don't know how you approached the differing stacksizes and weird scenarios where you can beat SB for the sidepot, but lose to MP. the way i'd go at that would be to first pretend like everyone's stack is the same size as MP's stack and calculate an EV. then i'd just calculate the remaining 50 bb sidepot (where you each put in 25 bb), get your EV off that and put it with the other calc. you probably only win something like 15% of the time since the dead cards from MP will frequently contain a K

[DaCooler]

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I folded them a week ago preflop, and i think this is an EZ fold without reads on MP being a donk, AceCR9, wow, your getting stacked here then

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thanks for letting me know how wrong I was. I really appreciate the advice.

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results orientated much?

[FireStorm]

Agree, don't be insanely results-oriented. I doubt you see this stupidity often enough to sway your decision.

You are correct that a 75xBB stack isn't mucking AK and QQ in this spot.

[Josh.]

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I folded them a week ago preflop, and i think this is an EZ fold without reads on MP being a donk, AceCR9, wow, your getting stacked here then

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thanks for letting me know how wrong I was. I really appreciate the advice.

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results orientated much?

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they had [censored] jacks and tens. that you EVER see jacks and tens means this cannot possibly be a fold at this site in this game vs these people