Daniel N. lacks pure poker skills?

[Riina]

Orlando rants like a guy who would continiously spit in your face while standing 2 cm from your face trying to press his point.....very annoying and just stfu [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

for the rest, DN has made multiple millions playing poker, not jamiegoldstyle, but with lots and lots of succesive wins. Thus we can conclude the man can play, this is the only logical conclusion. You can discuss leaks, weak spots, his personality and all that, but anyone serving him off as a player all together probably would be better off in a mental institution. its just friggin insane

[SaulPaul]

lol at ppl calling him passive

read one of his chapters of his upcoming books recently; about calling for information is better than raising.

[Pudge714]

Reading this thread makes my eyes bleed. I don't know who is more stupid SplawnDarts or Salazar.
Just general thoughts.
Daniel is probably a loser in the big game, but I have no idea ,outside of gossip.
Daniel is a very good NLHE tournament player.

Daniel made some unequivocally horrible plays in HSP.
Daniel would probably be a loser in big online cash games.
Daniel's faith has very little to do with his intelligence, and Salazar bringing Christianity and faith into this discussion is stupid and irrelevant.

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If anything, it seems Daniel's biggest fault is his ego, that is in allowing himself to be put in gambling situations that are -EV for him. It seems that except for (maybe) Benyamine, Ivey, Antonius every other gambler/poker player has games he is better at and games he is worse at, and smartly chooses to not risk large portions of their bankroll at the latter.

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Most losers at HSNL lose because of ego. People edge is so small that tilt control and game selection are so important. Also Benyamine seems to be in the same boat as DN in this respect Benyamine by all accounts is not a good online NLHE player for the stakes he plays.


Also SplawnDarts please never use this argument ever
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Is he better than you at every commonly played form of poker?

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This is news, views and gossip people are just giving the latter. Also FWIW I believe I am a better online SNG player than DN. He is a better poker player and if he choose to learn SNGs he could be become better, but right now he isn't.

[jah7_fsu1]

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That's a pretty poor comparison. You're talking about one aspect of basketball that isn't even a necessary skill for everyone.

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It's not the best comparison, but I think it somewhat works. Most people are hating on him saying he couldn't win at the biggest online NLHE games, which means he sucks at poker. Do the NLHE online specialists suck at poker because they would get taken in Omaha or Stud? Just because someone isn't as good as someone who specializes in a particular style, doesn't mean they can't play poker.

If certain pros who do well (but maybe aren't the absolute best at one form) concentrated on just one game they would improve at it. That's pretty much a given, but just because someone might not be one of the top 3 in a certain game, but is solid all around doesn't mean they are "garbage."

[heater]

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After reading Daniel Negraneu's blog on cardplayer (copied below), coupled with his 'LAP' play and inability to fold on HSP season 2, I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't understand poker at near the level of Phil, Barry, and other winning live players

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Without reading the rest of this thread, I'll say that unless you play at this level yourself you have no way of judging this.

"Cue everyone saying that some of the hands played on HSP were sooooooo [censored] bad that anyone who has played 25NL is qualified to make this statement."

[SplawnDarts]

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After reading Daniel Negraneu's blog on cardplayer (copied below), coupled with his 'LAP' play and inability to fold on HSP season 2, I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't understand poker at near the level of Phil, Barry, and other winning live players

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Without reading the rest of this thread, I'll say that unless you play at this level yourself you have no way of judging this.

"Cue everyone saying that some of the hands played on HSP were sooooooo [censored] bad that anyone who has played 25NL is qualified to make this statement."

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What if they're a whitechip NL loser, like the original poster? Surely such an impressive resume would qualify one to comment [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Mcot]

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It's not the best comparison, but I think it somewhat works. Most people are hating on him saying he couldn't win at the biggest online NLHE games, which means he sucks at poker. Do the NLHE online specialists suck at poker because they would get taken in Omaha or Stud? Just because someone isn't as good as someone who specializes in a particular style, doesn't mean they can't play poker.

If certain pros who do well (but maybe aren't the absolute best at one form) concentrated on just one game they would improve at it. That's pretty much a given, but just because someone might not be one of the top 3 in a certain game, but is solid all around doesn't mean they are "garbage."

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Ok for the last time. I AM THE ONE who wrote about this in the other thread and led Daniel to blog on it. What we were discussing was NO LIMIT HOLDEM CASH GAMES ONLY.

I was not disputing that fact that he is a GREAT poker player, and has won multiple millions. I have doubts about his real success but thats not the point.

My point was that Daniel is a weak NO LIMIT HOLDEM CASH GAME player. This is due to some factors that i have alredy pointed out. Playing loose and passive, calling to much, tilting, and odd bet sizeing.

Take this for what you want but since no limit holdem cash games are the predominant form of poker today besides tournaments it would seem like to be considered a GREAT poker player this would be your main focus....

[restrikt]

Daniel is better than average at all types of poker. And he's probably better at mixed games than most.

That being said, I doubt he could beat 25/50 NLHE online. Anything 50/100+ and above, he is a huge dog in NLHE online. (Live is a different story, since a ton of fish play NLHE live).

[Daniel Negreanu]

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His ''stats'' on the big game are NOT accurate. Most players in the big game have already said this. Barry G. called DN out on this as well. Mentioning that he keeps inacurate stats, if DN has a bad session he doesnt even post that he played. I was in vegas last year. Stoped by the Bellagio to be a Fanboy and just see the ''Big Game'' DN was playing with Eli, Doyle, Jen, David B and chip. I watched 2 minutes or so and left. I remember making a note to check FCP when I got home just to see how he did in the session. I never read the site but know that he keeps logs. I was interested, to this day its not posted. He has since posted winning sessions.

Please stop saying he is +EV in the game, Raymer even called him out recently. Saying he would rather beat a 400-800 game than loose in the 4K-8K just to look cool.

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That is not true. I have never had a losing year in the big game. Never had a losing year in any limits $1000-$2000 or higher. My POSTED results are accurate. You would have to think I'm legitimately insane if you think I'd post phony results so that I could pay more taxes.

[Daniel Negreanu]

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Daniel is better than average at all types of poker. And he's probably better at mixed games than most.

That being said, I doubt he could beat 25/50 NLHE online. Anything 50/100+ and above, he is a huge dog in NLHE online. (Live is a different story, since a ton of fish play NLHE live).

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I would bet you are wrong. I am very confident that I could beat $25-$50 NLH games online, and also games as big as $100-$200. Ok, so I think I'd win, you think I'd lose, who's right?