Caesar's Palace- Player went all in and ran away with $ after I called

[wtfsvi]

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I am very suprised that he would be charged wtih a theft related crime. I hate for sumbags to try this sort of thing, but I don't really see grand larceny (without looking at the definition) sticking in this case (of course I am not a lawyer).

[/ QUOTE ] I expect that the definition of grand larceny is pretty much the same as that of robbery, save the violence and fear of injury. So, unlawful taking of personal property.

That is exactly what happened here. As pointed out earlier in the thread, the money does not belong to J.R. just because it happens to be in front of him. And this is not the same as not paying your creditors, so that comparision is not valid.

[Jimbo]

A good lawyer should be able to win this case for the scumbag in front of a jury.

Nevada Revised Statutes Section 205.275

Offense involving stolen property: Definition; penalty; restitution; prima facie evidence; determination of value of property.

1. A person commits an offense involving stolen property if the person, for his own gain or to prevent the owner from again possessing his property, buys, receives, possesses or withholds property:

(a) Knowing that it is stolen property; or

(b) Under such circumstances as should have caused a reasonable person to know that it is stolen property.

Now again I can understand a charge of grand larceny but not one of robbery.

Jimbo

[AngusThermopyle]

Why are you quoting a statute about "stolen property"?
The guy isn't charged with receiving or hiding stolen property. He is charged with stealing it.

[Lestat]

Excellent point Randy and a lesson to be learned. Wait until the money goes into the center before making any action. Yes, verbal action is supposed to be binding, but that's probably not enforcable from a "legal" standpoint. However, if the money goes into the center, it no longer belongs to the player! Therefore, this situation could not have happened.

I'm guessing if someone were to try and take money OUT of the pot and put it into their pocket, it's a whole different story and the casino very well could (with the proper authorities), take the money from his person. Thanks Randy!

[StellarWind]

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Hello?
Say a dealer makes a mistake that costs you a $3000 pot.
You think any casino will make it up to you?


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Don't put words in my mouth. A random dealer error that changes the winner of a pot is very different from the situation described by OP.

The house allowed the money in the pot to be stolen. The house is responsible for security and the dealer is the only person allowed to handle the pot.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if you hit a $50K jackpot funded by a drop and the house told you "Sorry all the money has been stolen and there's nothing we can do about it." How far are you willing to excuse the casino holding other people's money and losing it?

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And I am not a casino insider. Just a casino customer who understands the real world.

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Aside from casinos, what reputable parts of the real world work this way? I have no illusions about the way many casinos operate. I just object to it. In the real world that's a necessary step before things can improve.

[Jimbo]

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Why are you quoting a statute about "stolen property"?
The guy isn't charged with receiving or hiding stolen property. He is charged with stealing it.

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Perhaps you don't understand, if the culprit didn't steal any property what would he be charged with? Please think before posting, electrons are in short supply.

Jimbo

[AngusThermopyle]

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Why are you quoting a statute about "stolen property"?
The guy isn't charged with receiving or hiding stolen property. He is charged with stealing it.

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Perhaps you don't understand, if the culprit didn't steal any property what would he be charged with? Please think before posting, electrons are in short supply.

Jimbo

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I guess I don't understand. Why wouldn't he be charged with robbery? The criminal code you cited doesn't seem to address the definition of 'robbery' and how, in your opinion, it would not apply to this case.

[Jimbo]

Earlier in the thread I quoted the Nevada definition of robbery, basically it requires either force or causing fear of bodily harm. What occured was essentially grand larceny (theft of property over the value of $250 in Nevada). So I quoted the requirent to be punished involving stolen property crimes. In my lay opinion the culprit will be able to convince a jury he had no idea he was stealing money from another player.

Jimbo

[Bill King]

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I'd hate to be the buy who got detained. If the Nevada Gaming Commission is hot to prosecute this guy, he's really screwed.

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[Rottersod]

This guy is in a world of hurt. When a member of the Nevada Gaming Commission say he wants to "make an example" of this and have him prosecuted for felony robbery he is in a world of trouble. Nevada and especially LV is run by the NGC and they know that their economy depends on running a fair game. If you even look at a slot machine the wrong way you'll be doing 5 years in the desert pen.

My guess is that what is going to happen is he will be offered a lighter sentence as part of a plea bargain if he agrees to give you the money but he will still be looking at state prison or county jail for one year.

You need to keep on this case and contact the prosecutor as soon as possible.

Unless you were a good, regular customer the casino will probably not pay you what you are owed from this guy. The difference between Blackjack and this is that in BJ you are playing against the casino and must put your bet out before any cards are dealt.