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#61
08-25-2006, 03:43 PM
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Re: Early UFC 62 & 63 Lines
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u really think liddell @ -275 is bad value? i understand that forrest is probably a better pick but personally i like to have some money on each fight rather than all in 1 pick... diversify... but if some1 was to put money on 1 fight i think ur prob right about forrest.. [/ QUOTE ] the same thing happened when chuck fought horn. people stacked up on horn because "chuck was due a loss" etc etc. babalu *is* the biggest threat chuck has faced in some time, but chuck @ -275 is the easiest money ive seen in ages in my opinion... 
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#62
08-25-2006, 04:06 PM
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DSE announced Silva is fighting for them in LV in October, on the same card as Fedor - Coleman II. They just used the UFC for free publicity, no intention of ever making the fight. Dana's pretty dumb for making the announcement without a signed contract. Oh, and to answer the question about Chuck, I'd love to see Rampage get another crack at him. He may be able to defend the double leg takedown, but he had no answer for the clinch/knees/dirty boxing. Franklin would never take a fight with Chuck. His "greatness" is based on his ability to cut from 210 to 185, and then be back at 200 when the fight starts, this way he gets to beat up on much smaller guys. Fighting at 205, Ace would be a top 10 guy, but definitely not much more. [/ QUOTE ] I'd love to see Rampage in the UFC...seems like a good fit for him in my opinion. Not to mention he could use a shakeup given his string of recent bad performances. I think Franklyn is better than you are suggesting, but I'm only basing that on his destruction of Loasou (sp?). That guy had some ridiculously intimidating standup, and I thought it was going to be war. Franklyn destroyed him. Was never close. He never lost at 205, and has never lost at 185 (in the UFC I'm talking about), so it's hard to get a good read on just how good he is. All I know, is that if he gets to fight Anderson Silva, and finds a way to win, then he's the real deal. Someone, someday, is going to have to change weight divisions and fight someone else. Where's the James Toney of the UFC?
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#63
08-25-2006, 05:54 PM
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Sounds like the Silva fight is off, and Arona could beat Chuck in a ring, but not the cage. [/ QUOTE ] Can you go into a bit more detail for an MMA newb? What in the fight strategy changes from ring to cage. thanks.
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#64
08-25-2006, 09:26 PM
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[quote Sounds like the Silva fight is off, and Arona could beat Chuck in a ring, but not the cage. [/ QUOTE ] Can you go into a bit more detail for an MMA newb? What in the fight strategy changes from ring to cage. thanks. [/ QUOTE ] Well, the cage is a pretty big part of Chuck's defense against the takedown. He uses it as leverage to stand up when he gets taken down. Just watch his first 2 fights against Randy. In the ring, there is nothing to help you up (you are not allowed to grab the ropes). So, Arona can just bullrush him, they get off balance when they bounce off the ropes and they are down...very possible for Arona to lay on top of him for 3 rounds (he's done it to almost everyone else). Rampage got Chuck down, and kept him there (knees to the head, and apparent lack of conditioning from Chuck clearly played a part as well).
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#67
08-26-2006, 05:09 PM
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Re: Early UFC 62 & 63 Lines
Nothing really exciting in late line movements.
Still recommending a max play on Forrest, and that's pretty much it.
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#68
08-26-2006, 06:18 PM
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Re: Early UFC 62 & 63 Lines
I find it very interesting that people are hitting forrest so hard.. It scares me, because I plan to max out on bonnar.
With posters like Performify that really know their stuff hammering forrest/recommending him so hard.. I see the match going to a decision -- I just hope griffin is off his game a bit or bonnar is very much on his, either way, i dont really see griffin having such a huge advantage. I think I find it even more interesting that you guys find more value in forrest than liddel? You're getting the same price for liddel as you are forrest -- and liddel has the heaviest hands in the business, the best standup, best takedown defense, the guy is a monster. Bobalu needs to get the fight on the ground, which is not going to happen against chuck.. So why bet forrest and not chuck? Are you guys betting forrest because you believe bonnar to be just that bad? it seems Chuck vs Bobalu is a straight mismatch in terms of style?
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#69
08-26-2006, 06:29 PM
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Re: Early UFC 62 & 63 Lines
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I find it very interesting that people are hitting forrest so hard.. It scares me, because I plan to max out on bonnar. With posters like Performify that really know their stuff hammering forrest/recommending him so hard.. I see the match going to a decision -- I just hope griffin is off his game a bit or bonnar is very much on his, either way, i dont really see griffin having such a huge advantage. I think I find it even more interesting that you guys find more value in forrest than liddel? You're getting the same price for liddel as you are forrest -- and liddel has the heaviest hands in the business, the best standup, best takedown defense, the guy is a monster. Bobalu needs to get the fight on the ground, which is not going to happen against chuck.. So why bet forrest and not chuck? Are you guys betting forrest because you believe bonnar to be just that bad? it seems Chuck vs Bobalu is a straight mismatch in terms of style? [/ QUOTE ] babalu is the biggest threat chuck has faced in the last few years. personally i think chuck will take it but i dont find value in betting against someone who immediately has a 70% chance of finishing the fight if he gets at takedown in the middle of the ring. forrest is fighting *very* well these days, bonnar is not. they were dead even against eachother when had been training incessently last time they met. since then, forrest has looked better and better with each fight, while bonnar has not. forrest has much higher value in my eyes than chuck in this case. forrest by decisive decision, i say.
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