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#62
02-13-2007, 02:26 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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[ QUOTE ] This is the standard list of names theists trot out when they hear that religion is racist/sexist/murderous or whatever. Not like a list 10x as long can't be written about evil theists, because it could without too much trouble. [/ QUOTE ] i would like to take you up on your challenge, because your statement has made me curious. since only 7 specific names were listed, i guess i would only hold you accountable to a list of 70 names. & since it would not take too much trouble according to you, i will give you a deadline of 24 hours. & just to clarify terms: theist = anyone who believes in "God/higher being" despite relgiious affiliation whether it be cath/christian/muslim/hindu/buddhist etc, etc? & evil = ...? i guess for this purpose, we can say evil means being "racist/sexist/murderous or whatever" i guess closet theists (like your example of Hussein) should count towards this list. [/ QUOTE ] It wasn't a challenge, and I have far better things to do with my time. But I'll give you a good start; about 3/4's the popes up until, say, 1900. Especially the ones before, ~ 1500 when almost all of them not only condoned but ENCOURAGED torture. 
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#63
02-13-2007, 02:41 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Does anyone think this is really weird? I've never thought about being proud of being white or of my white heritage or something. I don't think I could ever say to someone "I'm proud to be white" because skin color doesn't mean anything to me. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. What's the point in being proud of your race or your gender or how many freckles you have? It's something you had no control of. Be proud in your accomplishments in life. [/ QUOTE ] Well of course we all know you're proud your accomplishments because you never shut up about them! haha ok that was just too easy. I'm glad you said that though Dom cause I want to like you. Maybe we could go to the next black pride parade and tell everyone how silly they are being and maybe that its "time to leave" by bringing a burning wooden lower case t? [/ QUOTE ] only if I can also tell them I used to make porn.
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#64
02-13-2007, 02:49 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
Dr. Strangelove:
All of your quotes are from the Old Testament. The New Testament decidedly does not support slavery. The whole point of Jesus coming was to show people the correct way. If you read the Bible on the whole, it does not support slavery.
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#65
02-13-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Without exception, every racist I have ever met has also been very religious. [/ QUOTE ] It is time to end this sort of atheist mantra. Hitler Stalin Pol Pot Galtieri Marcos + your long list of Chinese communists Saddam Hussein + your long list of former USSR crackpots and the terrorists that wage their racist wars in the former federated states Slobodan Milosovic No religion in that list at all. Just murderous racists. [/ QUOTE ] Hitler was Roman Catholic. you just spout off a bunch of names that came to mind? yay research! [/ QUOTE ] Hitler was Roman Catholic Marcos was Roman Catholic Galtieri was Roman Catholic Saddam Hussein went to the gallows clutching a copy of the Koran The "terrorists" who rage "racist wars" in former Soviet states are mostly Muslim Milosevic's father was a deacon in the Serbian Orthodox church [/ QUOTE ] so by Catholic you mean their parents were Catholic right?? I don't think Hitler was a practicing Catholic, and thats what matters not what his parents believed [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Just b/c someone says they are Catholic, or any other religion, doesn't mean crap unless they are practicing the teaching of the faith. The Catholic Church or any of the Christian churches did not support the actions of those people. It is dumb to even bring in any religious background of these people when they clearly do not follow it.
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#66
02-13-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Without exception, every racist I have ever met has also been very religious. [/ QUOTE ] It is time to end this sort of atheist mantra. Hitler Stalin Pol Pot Galtieri Marcos + your long list of Chinese communists Saddam Hussein + your long list of former USSR crackpots and the terrorists that wage their racist wars in the former federated states Slobodan Milosovic No religion in that list at all. Just murderous racists. [/ QUOTE ] Hitler was Roman Catholic. you just spout off a bunch of names that came to mind? yay research! [/ QUOTE ] Hitler was Roman Catholic Marcos was Roman Catholic Galtieri was Roman Catholic Saddam Hussein went to the gallows clutching a copy of the Koran The "terrorists" who rage "racist wars" in former Soviet states are mostly Muslim Milosevic's father was a deacon in the Serbian Orthodox church [/ QUOTE ] so by Catholic you mean their parents were Catholic right?? I don't think Hitler was a practicing Catholic, and thats what matters not what his parents believed [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Just b/c someone says they are Catholic, or any other religion, doesn't mean crap unless they are practicing the teaching of the faith. The Catholic Church or any of the Christian churches did not support the actions of those people. It is dumb to even bring in any religious background of these people when they clearly do not follow it. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe, but Christians love to say that "x% of Americans are Christians," even though many so-called Christians don't go to church or otherwise practice the faith.
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#67
02-13-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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Dr. Strangelove: All of your quotes are from the Old Testament. The New Testament decidedly does not support slavery. The whole point of Jesus coming was to show people the correct way. If you read the Bible on the whole, it does not support slavery. [/ QUOTE ] Not to COMPLETELY derail this thread any further, but the new testament has SEVERAL passages condoning, if not wholly supporting slavery. If you are going to make a bold statement, at least check your facts a bit more. Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him." Colossians 4:1: "Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven." 1 Timothy 6:1-3 "Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;" Luke 12:45-48: "The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Deuteronomy 23:15-16, cited above, requires a Jew to protect a runaway slave, and to not return him/her to their owner.. However, St. Paul violated the law. While in prison, he met a runaway slave, Onesimus, the slave of a Christian. He was presumably owned by Pheliemon. Rather than give the slave sanctuary, he returned him to his owner. Paul seems to hint that he would like Pheliemon to give Onesimus his freedom, but does not actually request it. See the Letter to Philemon in the Christian Scriptures.
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#68
02-13-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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Exactly. Just b/c someone says they are Catholic, or any other religion, doesn't mean crap unless they are practicing the teaching of the faith. The Catholic Church or any of the Christian churches did not support the actions of those people. It is dumb to even bring in any religious background of these people when they clearly do not follow it. [/ QUOTE ] Then popes that decreed torture are either VERY catholic by Old Testament rules, or NOT catholic by NEW testament rules. Really, just take this argument to the proper forum, please.
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#69
02-13-2007, 08:12 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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[ QUOTE ] Exactly. Just b/c someone says they are Catholic, or any other religion, doesn't mean crap unless they are practicing the teaching of the faith. The Catholic Church or any of the Christian churches did not support the actions of those people. It is dumb to even bring in any religious background of these people when they clearly do not follow it. [/ QUOTE ] Then popes that decreed torture are either VERY catholic by Old Testament rules, or NOT catholic by NEW testament rules. Really, just take this argument to the proper forum, please. [/ QUOTE ] Popes who went against the teachings of Jesus were not acting as Catholics. The church is clearly not perfect, nor are its members - I don't think anyone would argue they are. Any priest that conducted sexual misconduct was not behaving as a Catholic either. Just b/c a "Catholic" does something does not mean the church supports those actions. Daliman hates catholics and white people - especially white catholics.
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#70
02-13-2007, 08:15 PM
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Re: Yet more hateful forwarded emails
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Dr. Strangelove: All of your quotes are from the Old Testament. The New Testament decidedly does not support slavery. The whole point of Jesus coming was to show people the correct way. If you read the Bible on the whole, it does not support slavery. [/ QUOTE ] You obviously didn't read my post, because three of the quotes were from the new testament and labeled as such.
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