The movement to remove shortstackers!!!

[grouchie]

I don't play to maximize money actually.

I play because I enjoy the game and Just love playing.
I play because I seem to be slightly better than break even and if it helps me pay a bill, or lets me get out and do something now and then I'm very happy.

I play because it's how I bought my PS3, Wii, and 360.
I also bought my parents a new bathroom and paid for several vacations to Vegas.

I like the extra money now and then to be able to do stuff with, but I am in no way interested in making a TON of money off of games higher than 1/2 200NL.

Sounds weird, but 1/2 is really as high as I can see myself playing no matter how good I were to get at this game.

[CalledDownLight]

I said partly because of money, which means you should be able to understand why people shortstack.

[grouchie]

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I said partly because of money, which means you should be able to understand why people shortstack.

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Yeah, i see that now. I strike my message [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

And, Personally I don't mind short stackers at all, they have their place in the poker ecosystem.

Most of them are bad and just donate, a few are good and rathole which is what seems to annoy people. However, I'd rather have them rathole and leave the table than stay. I like that they are replaced by someone worse most of the time.

The normal short stackers that you run into, I find that If I double one of them up then a good amount of the time I get back what I gave them plus the rest of their stack because they still play the same game no matter what stack size they have.


Long Live The Short Stackers.

I think I might short stack my next session just to be annoying [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jack frost]

why is this such a pissing match they would probably only add tables of 50bbmin and leave the rest 20bb. I hate short stacker's and think they are the scum of poker but if pokerstars gives me the option to play at tables of a 50bb min. That would make me happy. I think in another a year or so it is going to come to a point where they are going to have to do some thing about the short stackers. I personally don't feel like playing short and rat holing is playing poker. I also don't see why some some are so worried about losing the ability to short stack 20bb when they claim they still make the same as a good tag? I personally like the idea that bad players can buy in short because they so often do but I think something needs done about the rat holing I think that is what degrades the game the most. If you were buying short and making a stack and staying to play fine but imho rat holing is unethical and not very sportsman like.

[Sandviper23]

If one site removed the short stackers... they would lose all of those players to the other sites.

if they made separated the tables... short stack available and non short stack... i don't think the short stacks would like that being they wanna be around deep stacks battling it out.. thus resulting back to losing players to other sites.

[phydaux]

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Honestly I would MUCH rather they raised the rathole limit to an hour than raise the min BI.

That way the professional "system" SSers would have a harder time making a living and the retard donk shortstackers who are only sitting at 400nl because they have $80 in their account will still be able to play!!!!!

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That's a FAR beter idea, IMO.

BTW, I may be late with this but:

LOL @ Kid Poker 'cause be can't deal with short stackers!

[BT2]

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Honestly I would MUCH rather they raised the rathole limit to an hour than raise the min BI.

That way the professional "system" SSers would have a harder time making a living and the retard donk shortstackers who are only sitting at 400nl because they have $80 in their account will still be able to play!!!!!

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That's a FAR beter idea, IMO.

BTW, I may be late with this but:

LOL @ Kid Poker 'cause be can't deal with short stackers!

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what is the rathole limit?

[Ryanj37]

short stackers effect 6 max more then fullring dont they?

[bottomset]

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Please email support to stop this. Here is my email.


As a loyal player I am writing to tell you that I think it is very important
that you do NOT institute new 50 BB minimum buyin tables at any of the limits.
I know this is being advocated by Daniel Negraneau, members of two plus two, and
many other professional players, but it takes away from the spirit of the game
which emphasizes adaptation and skill in many different game conditions.

In fact, I think that it makes more business sense to LOWER the minimum buyin to
10 BB. This is better for both PokerStars (players with $40 buyins at $.25/.50
will not contribute as much rake as those with $40 at $1/2 because of the
number of BB they have to commit to a pot in order to reach the capped rake)
and the poker economy. It will benefit the players in general because the
numerous "fish" generally prefer to play with a much shallower stack even if
they are willing to continuously reload. If the minimum buyin is raised you
will already lose the rake from the many players who will move down in limits
and will also probably lose a large portion of your player base that will move
to many other sites like FullTilt, Prima, OnGame, etc. Several of these sites
already allow players to buyin for 10 BB which stimulates action and drives the
rake upwards.

Finally, the players that are petitioning for an increase in the minimum buyin
are the small portion of professional players and not the masses of
recreational players. I would venture to assume that 99+% of the players on
PokerStars, myself included, are recreational players. If you choose to
support the few professionally players in raising the minimum buyin then you
are in effect turning a blind eye to the masses. The professionals are going
to continue to play no matter what changes you make to the game, after all that
is how these players make a living. In making any future changes, especially as
it relates to the structure of NLHE ring games, I think it is very important to
consider your average player and not the outspoken minority of professional
players.

Concerned player,
BlueDevils09

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[censored] off with this 10bb [censored]

[MyTurn2Raise]

10bbs stunted my growth as a shortstacker, but I'd like to have it again knowing what I know now