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nickg1532 · #61 08-05-2007, 05:38 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($43.85)
Hero ($176.05)
UTG ($186.85)
MP ($157.40)
CO ($115.10)
Button ($146.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($8.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $23, Hero raises to $172.05, CO calls $88.10 (All-In).

Final Pot: $230.70

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9d 9s (full house, nines full of fives).
CO has 5d 5c (four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO wins $230.70. Hero wins $60.95. 

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I'd bet the turn. You cant get all the chips in be checking every street.

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that might have been sarcastic given the result, and i'm sorry to inject some strategy into an LC thread, but i'm still very uncomfortable w/ my NL game, and i'm actually curious about the play:

yeah, checking twice there is probably bad, and something i pretty much never do (i generally hate slowplaying). it felt right here, though. reason is, if he has OCs, there's no value in a bet when i can let him bluff or spike a pair. the only value i'm missing is from picked up FDs, but he'll bet those often anyways (and w/ the board pairing, i'm not concerned about free cards). and if he's trying to trap me w/ a big hand, well, you see what happens.

please tell me if my thought process is bad though. in limit i bet the turn 100% of the time, because people never fold A high anyways. not sure if i should be doing it in NL too

Grunch · #62 08-05-2007, 07:35 PM

It wasn't sarcastic. You were slowplaying in order to induce a bluff from air, but there are two other situations you should be more concerned about. One, if the opponent has a hand like 66 or 88 they have draws to beat you. And two, the opponent will sometimes have a strong hand, strong enough for them to be willing to back it up with a good chunk of thier chips. By inducing a bluff you are focused on tiny wins. If you focus on the bigger wins, you'll make more over the long haul.

MrWookie · #63 08-05-2007, 07:37 PM

I don't like nitting up my NC thread, but we'd really like 88 and 66 to "hit" against our boat. They're drawing dead right now. However, this point is the important one:

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And two, the opponent will sometimes have a strong hand, strong enough for them to be willing to back it up with a good chunk of thier chips. By inducing a bluff you are focused on tiny wins. If you focus on the bigger wins, you'll make more over the long haul.

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Grunch · #64 08-05-2007, 07:42 PM

Yeah youre right, I ignored the fact that we improved. Regradless, even if you are not giving free cards to beat you slowplaying is normally less +EV than valubetting because you win more from worse hands calling big bets than air hands making small bluffs.

4_2_it · #65 08-05-2007, 08:50 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $16, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $42, CO raises to $84, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $139 (All-In), Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

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Comments on the turn play please.

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good bet.

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Zeebo Theorem FTW.

KingOtter · #66 08-05-2007, 09:59 PM

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Yeah youre right, I ignored the fact that we improved. Regradless, even if you are not giving free cards to beat you slowplaying is normally less +EV than valubetting because you win more from worse hands calling big bets than air hands making small bluffs.

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This is a gem.

inferno · #67 08-06-2007, 05:48 AM

im not cutout for NL I guess im going back to lhe soon:

futuredoc85 · #68 08-06-2007, 05:52 AM

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im not cutout for NL I guess im going back to lhe soon:

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either raise more or coldcall (or limp) less preflop, that gap b/w VPIP and PFR is too big. Be a lot more aggressive on the flop (bet/raise more and call less) and a bit more aggro on turn and river. Go to showdown less.

DeathDonkey · #69 08-06-2007, 07:21 AM

Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

KingOtter · #70 08-06-2007, 10:16 PM

Yay! An idiot makes my night profitable!

PokerStars $0.05/$0.10 No-Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.50
MP: $4.65
CO: $3.80
Button: $13.60
SB: $21.40

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG raises to $9.90 (all in), Hero calls $7.40.

Turn: ($21.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($21.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $21.25

Results:

UTG shows 6d, Th (a pair of Sixes).
Hero shows Kh, Ks (a pair of Kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $20.20.
($1.05 Rake)