500NL LIVE: KK UTG+1

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After the flop they then say:

Since there's no ace, you're committed. Before there is any flop action.


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Seriously?

So we're playing the hand exactly the same regardless of whether MP1 is a maniac or calling station or uber-nit?

And we're ignoring flop texture too?

Seriously?

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Pokerboy, get a decent image and then you can comfortably get it in with overpairs.

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You have an image at live low limit?

Oh, you mean "Drunk" or "Less drunk".... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Cry Me A River]

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stealing isn't as valuable as getting regs to regularly stack off with 1 pair.


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You mean like hero does in the OP?

[CalledDownLight]

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Pokerboy, get a decent image and then you can comfortably get it in with overpairs.

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You have an image at live low limit?

Oh, you mean "Drunk" or "Less drunk"....

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I played live for the first time last week and I got folds every time I wanted them. Several times I reached for chips and got them to fold without announcing bet or betting. Opponents definitely see if you're a nit or not.

[ActionStan]

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And for all you haters that think limp/rr means KK+, open it up baby.

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What a great idea.

Play big pots out of position with weak , nitty set miners .

You must tear this game up.

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FYP

(Oh, and I do alright. Thanks for asking)

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I played live for the first time last week and I got folds every time I wanted them. Several times I reached for chips and got them to fold without announcing bet or betting. Opponents definitely see if you're a nit or not.


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So, after telling pokerboy not to be a nit, you admit to being a nit? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[1p0kerboy]

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And for all you haters that think limp/rr means KK+, open it up baby.

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What a great idea.

Play big pots out of position with weak , nitty set miners .

You must tear this game up.

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FYP

(Oh, and I do alright. Thanks for asking)

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You're welcome.

Honestly, if these tools are working in your game, then keep at it!

What stakes do you play?

[1p0kerboy]

Oh, Bodog .25/.50.

So the book Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em is most applicable in the $50 Bodog games.

Weird.

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I played live for the first time last week and I got folds every time I wanted them. Several times I reached for chips and got them to fold without announcing bet or betting. Opponents definitely see if you're a nit or not.


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So, after telling pokerboy not to be a nit, you admit to being a nit? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yes. I was live. Admittedly I'm drunk. I probably played like 25/7, but had a nitty image b/c I was just limping ATC in the CO and from the btn basically. Every time I fired a few barrels though I got a fold. My point was that if you have the right image you can stack off with an overpair and be correct basically all the time.

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Except in this particular case, we have more information than MP1 and button.

We know we have KK and we know that we will stack off on most flops.

So we know, in advance, that it is actually correct for MP1 and button to set mine against us in this hand.

So why are we contriving a situation where we are manipulating our opponents into playing correctly against us?

Particularly when if we re-raised enough to actually take away their odds to call we would be solving all our problems and actually getting back to forcing them to make mistakes.

Is it really profitable to sacrifice our stack in this hand in order to disguise when we limp/small re-raise with 78s?

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I was really talking about limp/re-rasing in general. It's a nice thing to have in your game in the right game. Certainly wrong in others.

In this particular hand, it is entirely table dependant. There are tables where this is exactly the right approach because of the players involved. For example, I played pretty much this hand in a 1-2 live game with QQ. MP had AK and we got it all in on the flop where his AK was unimproved. That's not the guy you want to blow out of a pot and also the guy that you want to leave some room for him to bluff. He's also a bear to play against because he will put you to a lot of decisions. On some tables, especially when the game plays big, committing on the flop with an overpair is often the right thing to do.

On other tables this is exactly the wrong approach.