DERB - Page 7

Octopus · #61 05-03-2005, 09:35 AM

Send me a csv file with one line from your spreadsheet, plus the header line if there is one (or the whole thing if you want), and I will either figure out how to do it in Excel or write a perl program to do it.

EDIT: Ooops. Just got to the part of the thread where somneone else offered this. Well, let me know anyway if you want me to help.

NYplayer · #62 05-03-2005, 09:43 AM

this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.

Paluka · #63 05-03-2005, 09:50 AM

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this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.

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Well I don't think this guy is winning money from me. He is easily exploitable. What this says to me is that we should all stive to play like him against people that don't notice, and play like our TAG selves vs others.

stoxtrader · #64 05-03-2005, 10:18 AM

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this player plays the 30 very well. i think his post flop play exploits the biggest mistake in poker (ones that cost the whole pot) of making people fold hands with significant equity. granted, this player seems to hit against me like crazy on the river after raise when behind on turn. he puts himself in a position to get lucky though and extracts a lot when he hits. can you give us a position by position winrate. i think that in the sample i have (around 30K hands of his) he's winning like .25 on button but losing utg and utg+1. i've seen this player go on -10K to -15K down streaks. I think he's just doing a great job of exploiting the weak tights. excellent use of position. and plays a high varience game.

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agreed. don't have ptracker with me here. but he plays awesome in steal/defense situations, and with position.

AviD · #65 05-03-2005, 10:43 AM

What's his W$WSF?

steveyz · #66 05-03-2005, 11:34 AM

Umm, what's ridiculous is that it is the BB, not button, that is representing strength on the flop and turn, bascially turning his 7 face up. Since BB just called pre-flop, he could well have a 7 in his hand.

That being said, the turn raise isn't horrible, and while the cap is worse, it's not horrendous either, mainly because he likely has 10 outs, and if button keeps cold calling, he'd get 2:1 on his money with a 4:1 draw.

mikelow · #67 05-03-2005, 11:44 AM

Really now, is there any better way to discuss hands and improve your game?

So have fun with Russ G.

Boris · #68 05-03-2005, 12:06 PM

sounds like he read phil hellmuth's book.

Jay. · #69 05-03-2005, 01:06 PM

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Posting individual hands might also be enlightening.

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I'm bored enough:

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Kh (high card, ace).
Button has Ac Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.50 BB. 

BB is our idiot.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ah Jc (two pair, aces and threes).
MP2 has Ad Qd (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.75 BB. 

Idiot is UTG

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, MP2 3-bets, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, BB folds, UTG raises, MP2 3-bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, MP2 raises, UTG calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Tc As (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Kc Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 13.75 BB. 

Idiot is MP3

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 3 folds, BB caps, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)

Converter error, he calls the river HU.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
UTG doesn't show.
MP1 doesn't show.
MP3 has As Kh (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins 14.25 BB. 

There are tons of worse hands, then his raises UTG with 33 A5s etc, and i'm sure he doesn't win. He's the 1/1000 case, the rare disease, the lotto winner.

FWIW re: cheating, there are two other players who play the game reg with the same location as him but i doubt 1. they cheat since they play so different 2. our donkey is a donkey all the time and 3. they get accused of being cheats by every railbird on the site every single day.

J_V · #70 05-03-2005, 03:08 PM

Loud and clear?

I think there's an 80% chance he's running absurdly good, a 10% chance something is up, and a 10% chance he's running weak/tight players over and actually beating the game.