***Official Stars Regs Thread*** - Page 7

sethypooh21 · #61 04-06-2007, 03:56 PM

And, HEY, 1000 posts. Go me, I'm instantly a better poker player for it.

milesdyson · #62 04-06-2007, 05:45 PM

Gem from dbeckham. He's the SB. Button was super passive so I made the fold anticipating dbeckham to have some idea of poker.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB raises, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has Jc Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
SB has Qc 8c (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Button wins 13.50 BB.

jstill · #63 04-06-2007, 05:49 PM

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Find more spots eventually? not at the rate I'm going - I used to be 25/15 [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

and at the table good ~30/20ers just don't seem to play many hands that I don't.

So if they're not playing hands that I'm not and my numbers are too low then there's only one solution. I will raise from the BB more when its limped to me: vpip+, pfr+, no more hands.

chez

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Difference between 30/20 and 25/15 isn't that noticeable because it often only a result of one or more of the following:

a) 3-betting button raises lighter in small blind
b) Open raising lighter on the button
c) calling lighter in the BB
d) 3-betting cut off raises lighter on the button

In my data base im 29.1/20.4 @ 5/10.
@ 3/6 I was 23.4/15.6.

All the changes in my preflop play were a result of a,b,c,d.
I've actually tightened up my play in certain areas.

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i was gonna ask chez what his general ranges were in those spots vs different opponents

MacGuyV · #64 04-06-2007, 05:55 PM

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Gem from dbeckham. He's the SB. Button was super passive so I made the fold anticipating dbeckham to have some idea of poker.

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He's also obsessed w/ free sd raising and does it in real bad spots.

chezlaw · #65 04-06-2007, 06:16 PM

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Find more spots eventually? not at the rate I'm going - I used to be 25/15 [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

and at the table good ~30/20ers just don't seem to play many hands that I don't.

So if they're not playing hands that I'm not and my numbers are too low then there's only one solution. I will raise from the BB more when its limped to me: vpip+, pfr+, no more hands.

chez

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Difference between 30/20 and 25/15 isn't that noticeable because it often only a result of one or more of the following:

a) 3-betting button raises lighter in small blind
b) Open raising lighter on the button
c) calling lighter in the BB
d) 3-betting cut off raises lighter on the button

In my data base im 29.1/20.4 @ 5/10.
@ 3/6 I was 23.4/15.6.

All the changes in my preflop play were a result of a,b,c,d.
I've actually tightened up my play in certain areas.

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i was gonna ask chez what his general ranges were in those spots vs different opponents

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Thanks both, this is very helpful. I can't give ranges (which may be part of the problem) as it depends so much on what I'm thinking at the time.

I want to say I'm very agressive open raising on the button but looking at my stats I have a raise first in on button of 16% which sounds low - how low is it?

I'm losing 0.18BB/hand in the BB. How bad is that? (0.1 from SB)

Not sure if there's any stat for 3 betting button vs co -but I try and must try harder.

I've had huge trouble 3betting from SB, I seem to get into horrible situations and struggling to see the merit in it.

Edit: here's one
dbeckham open in co, BB is solid, SB is loose wierd. I fold JTo on button. Correct/weak? and what's the minimum hands I should 3bet?

Ta

milesdyson · #66 04-06-2007, 07:34 PM

Button is dbeckham. I lost 200 BB today holla.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (9.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.80 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Th Jh (straight, jack high).
Button has Qs Ts (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Button wins 12.80 BB.

vmacosta · #67 04-06-2007, 08:55 PM

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CO is cardlogs. I don't know button. Did cardlogs bet the river to induce a bluff raise or what? I don't get it.

I just looked through cardlogs hands for March and April and he only lost more than 5 bb in one hand 3 times. 5.5, 5.5, and 7. This is over 1400 hands. So his ratio is 0.002.

Compare this to me losing over 5 bb in one hand 113 times over 27000 hands. My ratio is double his. I sucks.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, CO caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Button raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button checks.

River: (6.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Button raises, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has Qh Ac (one pair, nines).
Button has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: Button wins 10.70 BB. 

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FU I've played so many hands like that it hurts. I always justify it later by bitching that KK weirdplayed me and woulda made the same if he'd just bet the turn like a good boy.

vmacosta · #68 04-06-2007, 09:00 PM

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Gem from dbeckham. He's the SB. Button was super passive so I made the fold anticipating dbeckham to have some idea of poker.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB raises, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has Jc Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
SB has Qc 8c (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Button wins 13.50 BB. 

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uh, did you really fold 2 pair there or did you cleverly edit it out?

BrassMonkey · #69 04-06-2007, 09:09 PM

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cardlogs will make money but he is never someone i worry about as his tight by the book style makes him relatively straight forward to play.

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Yea, I haven't had trouble with this dude. I've played 563 hands and have beat him for 5 BB+ in one of them, and 3-5 BB in four of them. Maybe it takes a nit to own a nit... Orrr, maybe I just haven't played him enough, and should avoid his ass.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP folds, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (11 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

BrassMonkey · #70 04-06-2007, 09:15 PM

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Gem from dbeckham. He's the SB. Button was super passive so I made the fold anticipating dbeckham to have some idea of poker.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB raises, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has Jc Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
SB has Qc 8c (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Button wins 13.50 BB. 

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Gawd. I play this guy all the friggin' time, so thanks for posting this. I knew he was super aggro, but not to this extent - this is very illuminating...