200/400 hand vs. sbrubgy 6 handed

[dlpnyc21]

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I don't know how you call this. He knows you have KQ or KJ almost every time. And how often is an overbet from him like that a bluff.

Really dissapointing if you called.

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i also would like to add that aba's image of whitelime is probably: solid thinking mid-high stakes player taking a shot, and that is very important. aba also knows that whitelime perceives aba as a very tricky tag, capable of moves.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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any pair < a king

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and any random hand he decides to cr bluff with

[breitling996]

am i the only one here that noticed there was next to no money in the pot on the turn and with whitelime not playing at this level ever, there cant really be any meta game here... so why would sb make a play for the pot???? seems like he got a boat everytime..

[HP]

omg!

but omg aba might know whitelime knows this, and he'll bluff!

but omg aba might know etc etc and he won't bluff!

omg!

[legend42]

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am i the only one here that noticed there was next to no money in the pot on the turn and with whitelime not playing at this level ever, there cant really be any meta game here... so why would sb make a play for the pot???? seems like he got a boat everytime..

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I agree with your logic, but I don't think he needs a boat to make that kind of value bet- just something that beats or ties AK.

[urubu111]

results??

ps; aba had AA?

[riverboatking]

i think this is a pretty clear fold.
although in the heat of the moment i can understand if you called.

i think from villian's perspective you either have a big K or a big draw.

if you missed a big draw value is gone anyways as you're prolly not going to be bluff shoving the river since this is higher then you normally play and you seem to be winner in the game.

he prolly figures his best way to get value from you is to go for the overbet and hope for a hero call.

the only reason i could see him overbet bluffing is the fact that you are winner in the game and sometimes ppl who are up good try and lock it up.

i guess it boils down to whether he thinks you'll fold a AA in this spot.

all in all i think its a fold, but i've def. made worse calls in my life.

[TxRedMan]

It's a great play by him, whatever his holding.

IIRC it's not abnormal for him to overbet in spots like this.

i.e., you seem weak, ck/ck the flop, bet the turn, he raises pretty big on the turn and you just call.


I think his range makes it almost impossible for you to correctly call this bet.

[DLizzle]

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The only way to solve the problem here is to know what both players were thinking at the moment. I think pretty much everyone agree that your hand if face up been a Kx. And ABa knows that too. You probably know that Aba knows too, and he probably knows that you know that he know. So that's why it's so tricky... wat was eh thinking?

You realy have to interpret is over bet with all the above here, is he trying to push you of a K knowing that you know, or he knows that you know that he know so he's value betting because you'll see that as a "Iwant you to fold" and then call?

In both case I wouldn't get into that game with aba because you probably loose either way... but If I had to pick I would go for the fold!! odds are not good, you need to be right alot of the time here

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I like this post a lot. I don't think anything else needs to be said.

[Jman28]

Keep in mind that in putting you on Kx, and realizing the drawy board and semi-brick river, Aba is probably expecting you to call a normal sized bet, yet he opted for a larger one.

He's very capable of making a large semi-thin VB, but the hands that can do that (AK, AA) usually 3bet preflop.

That said, I would still fold.