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02-16-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK. [/ QUOTE ] The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran! [/ QUOTE ] jman - did you ever address the fact that, since the flop has 3 cards, they have 18 outs (3*6 outs) to counterfeit the pair, thus giving AK EVEN MORE OUTS!!! not to mention quads on the board! it's a wonder AK is only a 3:1 favourite [/ QUOTE ] indeed. 
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07-09-2006, 12:49 AM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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[ QUOTE ] jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK. [/ QUOTE ] The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran! [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. How do these morans not understand this simple math. AK BEATS POCKET PAIRS MORANS. Hell, it beats 9 AT THE SAME TIME. Hand 1: 19.4081 % 19.33% 00.07% { AcKc } Hand 2: 02.9314 % 02.86% 00.07% { 2d2h } Hand 3: 03.6356 % 03.56% 00.07% { 3d3h } Hand 4: 04.7415 % 04.67% 00.07% { 5d5h } Hand 5: 05.8628 % 05.79% 00.07% { 6d6h } Hand 6: 07.4459 % 07.37% 00.07% { 7d7h } Hand 7: 09.3428 % 09.27% 00.07% { 8d8h } Hand 8: 12.1555 % 12.08% 00.07% { 9d9h } Hand 9: 15.5869 % 15.51% 00.07% { TdTh } Hand 10: 18.8896 % 18.82% 00.07% { JdJh }
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07-09-2006, 01:14 PM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK. [/ QUOTE ] The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran! [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. How do these morans not understand this simple math. AK BEATS POCKET PAIRS MORANS. Hell, it beats 9 AT THE SAME TIME. Hand 1: 19.4081 % 19.33% 00.07% { AcKc } Hand 2: 02.9314 % 02.86% 00.07% { 2d2h } Hand 3: 03.6356 % 03.56% 00.07% { 3d3h } Hand 4: 04.7415 % 04.67% 00.07% { 5d5h } Hand 5: 05.8628 % 05.79% 00.07% { 6d6h } Hand 6: 07.4459 % 07.37% 00.07% { 7d7h } Hand 7: 09.3428 % 09.27% 00.07% { 8d8h } Hand 8: 12.1555 % 12.08% 00.07% { 9d9h } Hand 9: 15.5869 % 15.51% 00.07% { TdTh } Hand 10: 18.8896 % 18.82% 00.07% { JdJh } [/ QUOTE ] That program seems buggy, as I've demonstrated, overcards should be more like 3:1, I mean I guess I didn't calculate it for there being 9 other people, but it still seems too low of an edge.
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07-28-2006, 07:03 PM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1
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#9
08-11-2006, 08:15 AM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
i don't frequent this forum, but i had no idea there were this many any-other-internet-forum quality posters on 2+2. thank you for exposing them, jman. also, i did actually get my lol on.
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#10
08-11-2006, 09:32 AM
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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i did actually get my lol on. [/ QUOTE ] You got your lol on? That expression is beyond gay. Did you come up with it just now?
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