All My Money Are Belong to Me (NC Thread)

[OziBattler]

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snitch, if you win the BBJP you have to fly me and Gib there too, deal?


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We can't even get you to crown, what hope do we have of getting you to vegas! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

edit: I didn't check, did the bbjp go off this morning (yesterday EST)

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chances of me going to crown if you fly me there >>>> me paying myself. Im so unballa. heh.

seriously though, our work xmas function might well be at a function room at adelaide casino this year and if thats the case the lil old Ozi just might be using that as a damn fine excuse to play some 4/8 in teh poker room. Ive never played there before and I hear its kinda [censored] but apart from freepubpoker and homegames its all there is available if I want to play poker with omg real cards n chips.

[MrWookie]

Lab poker lesson/poker night trip report:

Alright. I just wrapped up poker night with my lab mates. All in all, it was a success, although perhaps not as rousing as I had hoped. The talk went well, but mid way through I realized I'd forgotten a slide explaining just what a "round of betting" entails. Oh well, it still worked out. Only three of the four other students in my lab attended. The fourth guy was apparently anti-gamb000l and wanted to go to some happy hour instead of drinking better beer with the rest of us. Anyway, the three grad students and my prof seemed to be interested in the talkn. It did turn out to perhaps be a bit excessive to go through all the poker variants I did, but I wasn't sure if everyone would be playing a lot of different games or just one, since "dealer choice" is popular for casual home games, even among new players. Turns out everyone wanted to play just one game, and NLHE, since it was the most popular in the casinos, was the selection. I presented W's bluffing spiel almost verbatim, although I added a bit about how bluffing was not only powerful, but also something unique and special to the game of poker. My prof ate it up. He was visibly intrigued by the prospect of being able to bluff repeatedly, and not having to have bluffs work frequently in order for them to be profitable. My nittier lab mate didn't buy it, though. He was convinced that bluffs would never ever work. Ever. Oh well. I was surprised, though, that my prof, who's born and raised American, as well as my other American lab mate (the nit) had almost no exposure to poker. They didn't know what a straight or a flush were, etc. I expected that from the international guys, but not from the Americans. Oh well.

I decided on a tourney in which everyone got 500 in chips, and we ran the blinds at 1/2, 2/4, 5/10, 10/20, 15/30, 25/50, 50/100, and if necessary, 100/200, increasing every hour. I wanted it to be fairly deep so everyone got some play and had some fun, plus it would maximize my chances of winning. However, no one there really seemed interested in a tourney that went all night. This seemed like a good balance.

Let's go with a run down of my lab:

My prof: He's a young faculty member, having come on board just 4 years ago. He's a jovial, friendly guy and was looking to have a fun time tonight. That's not to say he wasn't playing to win. He was competitive, but in the spirit of having a good time. He turned out to be a a mix of LPP and dumb bluffer after my talk on bluffing, but he did better than most.

Lab mate 1: He's from India, and the most senior member of the lab. He's quite a movie buff, so most of his interest in poker stemmed from having seen it in movies and having no idea what game it was or how it was played. In spite of some of my discussion about playing tight, pot odds, and bluffing, he was a pretty awful LPP player.

Lab mate 2: He's from China, and the 2nd most senior member. He also knew nothing about poker before today, but he took to it well. Is it overly racist to say "LDO" here? He couldn't size his bets all that well, but he was at least willing to bet and raise. His bet sizing did usually give away the strength of his hand, though. He even picked up on the fact that if a flush draw is 4:1 to hit, then he can bet it, get 4 calls, and the bet is +EV. He actually took to semibluffing quite a bit with just about any sort of draw.

Lab mate 3: He's from America, and he's a nit. I think he's actually a year older than me, but he took a couple years off, so now he's a year behind me. He was completely opposed to a buy in of more than $5, and he never bet or raised a single time. He had MUBS like a fiend, and even when he was down to an M of 5ish, he refused to listen to my advice to start going all in. He'd either limp or fold until he eventually called a push post flop and got pwned. He never ended up winning a pot all night, and he had a pretty bad attitude about it.

I didn't really think of it, but we happened to sit in order of seniority. My prof was in seat the seat I'll call seat 1 around my kitchen table, LM1 was in seat 2, LM2 in seat 3, me in seat 4, and LM3 in seat 5.

Things got off to a boisterous start. I was dealing. Everybody limped or checked, we see a raggy flop, and LM2 bets. Only LM1 calls, since I whiffed. The turn pairs the 3, and it's checked through. On the river, LM1 checks, LM2 bets, and LM1 raises?! Yeah. First and only c/r of the night on the first hand from the guy who turned out to be quite passive. He shows down 83o for trips and drags it. He took the second pot of the night, too, but I'm not sure with what. It certainly wasn't a playable hand, though.

I mostly just stay afloat for the next hour or so. I fold a lot, win and lose some small pots. My raises got respect and folds more often than I expected, but they still got (terrible) calls other times. My prof had a couple of good hands. The first was pretty laughable. He ended up betting fairly large on the flop, turn and river, getting called by LM1 each time on an A high board. At showdown, I direct him to show his hand first, and he sheepishly shows K2o UI for a 3 barrel bluff. K2o UI g0000000t. Yeah, I don't know what LM1 had, but I shudder at the thought. My prof also dragged a huge pot with a set of tens on board showing possible straights and flushes 3 way with him, LM1 and LM2, and with all three of them betting or raising both the turn and the river. I guess I should say min-betting or raising, but it still adds up. He took a nice chip lead. Eventually, in the 5/10 level, I pick up 74o in the SB. It's limped to me, and I pop it to 75 to see how everyone reacts. I actually thought I had a decent chance of taking it down, but certainly not this time. Everyone calls. Flop comes Q53r. WE HAS A GUTSHOT. I play badly and bet 125. I thought people might give pause to a bet that big, since no one had bet that big yet. Oops. LM3 calls all in, my prof calls, and LM1 and LM2 fold. Turn is a 2, giving me a double gutter. I check, and it's checked through. This was not an uncommon occurrence. River is the beautiful, beautiful 6, but it did put out 3 clubs. I bet out 250, and my prof calls me. He mucks to my straight, and I take a big chunk of his stack and assume the chip lead. LM2 actually dug his cards out of the muck to show that he had Q3o for two pair. I promptly scolded him, but this was mostly a learning game. LM3 is bitter about going BUSTO, but what can you expect if you play badly, right? I let him look at my cards and sweat me until he goes home about a half hour later.

I win another big pot with ATo OTB hits TPGK on the flop and turns two pair. I cripple LM1 with it. Afterwards, though, he does start to catch on to the idea that you should just go all in when you're short stacked. He wins a couple times, but eventually he's busted by LM2 when he got it all in holding a crappy pair.

So, we're three handed with my prof and LM2. LM2 has accumulated a decent stack thanks to LM1 and my prof, but I have a good chip lead. My prof is in trouble. However, I can't find two cards that add up to 14 or more to save my life, so I mostly fold preflop or check my BB for a while. Eventually, I get K5s OTB, and I open raise. I get called by everyone, as had become par for the course now. LM2 and my prof could find preflop folds 5 handed, but not 3 handed. Blinds are 15/30. Flop is Kxx, I bet out for about 2/3 pot, getting my prof close to all in. Normally you don't stack of with TPNK, but my prof couldn't fold pairs postflop. Fortunately for me, the turn is a 5 and I take him in. He calls and loses, but I don't think I needed the 5.

So, shock and surprise, it's heads up with me and the Asian lab mate. I quickly discover that he absolutely won't fold preflop HU. He'll call pretty much any amount of money with any two. Sweet. I cripple him when I let him bet into me with MPNK when I held TPMK. I maybe should have raised, but he was betting pretty strongly, and since he could fold postflop, I didn't really want to get wrecked. Still, he wound up pretty short after that, and the blinds were now 25/50. I take him all in for about 6x BB with K4s. He calls me w/ 66 and hits a set. Damn. I fold a couple to him, and then I push with A8s. I get called by T9o. I flop an A, but he rivers a flush. Damn. He now has a slight chip lead on me. The very next hand, I get aces and just push for a little over 1100 when the blinds are 25/50. He happily calls with rags, and I cripple him. He's down to about 200 at this point. Sweet. I fold a couple to him when I'm deal 4 or 7 high, and then I pick up 33. I push again, and he calls me with 83o. He doesn't hit an 8, and I win it all. ShiptehJacksonplzkthx. LM2, here's your buy in back.

All in all, my prof and LM2 had a good time and probably would be interested in playing again. LM1 may or may not play again, I'm not sure. LM3 will probably go off on some bitter tirade if I ever mention poker to him again. Oh well. I at least got a little home game fix.

[OziBattler]

nice report Wookie. Dont forget to remind them that you had to get lucky to win so theyll come back for more [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

as an aside, is it just me or has it been rather slow in the micros in recent days/weeks?

[MrWookie]

Traffic has been down everywhere for a while. I expect things to pick up in the next couple weeks as college kids go back to school.

[Aaron W.]

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Variance: On Thursday, I'm giving a presentation to my lab group. On poker. This presentation will be 1-2 hrs long. We're doing this because when no one has any new research to present, we'll do a "fun" hobby presentation in the group meeting time slot instead.

Brag: Then afterwards, we're having poker night at my place. I plan on cleaning up.

Beat: I've got to give a 1-2 hr presentation that is interesting, informative, and is at least sufficiently convincing to a bunch of Ph.D. candidates and an M.D./Ph.D. that I'm giving them good advice about how to play poker well. Allegedly, I'm an "expert" on this subject, although I think it's in my best interest if my PI doesn't think I'm quite as good as I actually am. Naturally, my goal is to make my lab mates think they are good (or at least better) at poker, but to still leave me with an overwhelming advantage.

Currently, my plan is to provide a little history of poker, an overview of the rules of hold 'em, lolmaha, stud, razz, TDL, lolmaha/8, stud/8, and, naturally, five card draw, followed by some general poker strategy. The strat section includes one slide on expectation value, one on playing tight, one on odds and outs, one on reading hands, one one bluffing and deception, and one on betting for value.

Here's my challenge to the forum. I'll pay a $10 bounty to the person who can design one slide's worth of a presentation that is the most convincing bad advice presented as good advice. If a whole slide's worth of misinformation is too much, I'll pay $5 to whomever lays out at least one good bullet point's worth of misinformation. Extra consideration is given to entries that are not in direct conflict with information I was planning on presenting and that flow well w/ the presentation.

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Bluffing: The most powerful weapon in poker

When you have a losing hand, your only way to win is by bluffing at the pot.

Example: Hold'em -- Suppose there are 8 BB in the pot on the turn and you have no pair and no draw. You could check and fold, or you can bluff at the pot. You wager 1 BB to win 8 BB, so it only needs to work 1 time in 9 to be profitable. But what's even better is that you have *TWO* chances to bluff. Let's say you bluff the turn and get called. Now the pot has 10 BB in it on the river. Now your second bluff only needs to work 1 time in 11 to be profitable.

It's important that you bluff twice. Suppose that you think your opponent has a 10% chance of folding. If you only bluff once, he'll only fold 10% of the time. But if you bluff twice, he'll actually fold 19% of the time (1 - .9^2). So you almost double your chances of winning the pot by bluffing twice.

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Aaron is claiming the $10 prize for this one. Aussie's and Bravos's entries were both outstanding, but they lacked the beautiful simplicity and elegance of this deceptive slide. It's easy to grasp, and easy to work into my presentation. Implied odds and the value of PPs are two concepts that would take much more explanation on my part. It's a pretty long presentation at this point, so keeping things brief and simple when possible will be appreciated by both me and my audience when I finally get done describing what a flop is and we can get into the strat section.

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But all my money are not yet belong to me...

Transfer to my Stars account and I'll be sure to have it ready for a total donkfest with Wetdog at $.02/.04.

[MrWookie]

Won't take FTP? PM me your account name. I forget exactly what numbers you have on the end.

[OziBattler]

So, Im considering getting a new LCD to hook up to my laptop. What the standard 1600x1200 monitors that all the cool pokerplayers are buying these days? Apparently Dell 2001FP and 2007FP or the Samsung 204B or 204T are the way to go but is that information current? Seems to me that there aint a great deal of monitors that suit poker players....

Basically I dont want the really expensive top of the line screens...as long as I can 4 table non-resized 800x600 tables that will do just fine.

[Gib]

Here's mine: http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products...;l=en&s=dhs

This Samsung has a res of 1600x1200:
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/51...tor_Black.aspx
And @ a nice price too

Doesn't look like the 2007WFP has a res of 1600x1200

[Gib]

k, it's Taco night @ the Gib residence tonight.

Should i go Sol or Carona?

anyone got any other suggestions ('cept obviously margaritas!)

[bravos1]

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k, it's Taco night @ the Gib residence tonight.

Should i go Sol or Carona?

anyone got any other suggestions ('cept obviously margaritas!)

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Negra Modelo

BTW.. had a Coopers Premium Lager tonight..meh not impressed at all!