Absolute Poker Scandal: An Inside Job

[ikestoys]

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"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

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An equitable remedy is a remedy under common law. A remedy under law would be under a statute.

It's just legal crap.

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Okay, but it's still clear that that section (maybe the whole thing) was either written by someone not too knowledgeable about English ('equitable' is still in the wrong form and 'procure' is totally wrong), or that it put together in a hurry.

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prob both tbh

Also, def time for a new OP

[ibluffoldladies]

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from the GamingAssociates website:

Gaming Associates is the exclusive technical consulting organisation to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. We are the Accredited Test Facility* (ATF) for the Commission, providing technical services in relation to all systems assurance. If you have any questions then please contact the Commission or our Kahnawake Project Manager at kgc@gamingassociates.com.

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This is hilarious.

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Why?

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because Kahnawake is on the case! They don't have a great track record.

[ChrisV]

What kind of "independent" audit is an audit carried out by the organisation that licenses AP to operate? Conflict of interest much?

[ChoicestHops]

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"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

Disturbing paragraph there at the end.

The above is a threat meant to scare people away from getting involved in this.

They're basically saying that they'll sue you if you harm their reputation at all. Even worse is the phrase, "Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable", which seems to imply that they are reserving the right to find other ways to punish you if they can't sue you. That's what I presume the "equitable" part refers to. This might mean that they are now reserving the right to freeze your AP account and steal your funds if they determine you have "damaged" their oh-so-clean rep.

Wow.

BTW, don't worry about lawsuits. They are not a legal company as far as the United States is concerned, nor are they located in the U.S. They would be unable to commence a successful lawsuit against anyone.

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That's exactly what I thought. Big damage control paragraph right there to threaten legal action if people say they think it's still rigged based on the facts presented. I think the way it's gonna go down is this. The GA is going to say there's no irrefutable proof that cheating happened and let AP off the hook. Because even with the damning evidence of the hand histories you still can't prove anything.

I just don't see how AP can still deny the oddities in this deal. You have a very early account user (#363) who's IP address is connected to their website and base in Costa Rica watching the supposed cheating happening. How can you say that is just a coincidence? Next you have a guy whose name is connected with their co. and is over at Casinomeister exclaiming and lamenting that he is not the same person as 2+2 "pokermachine" (who is the same guy associated with their co.) And that a "superuser" account is completely absurd. Then, you see they have identical IPs.

[Dan Druff]

Oh.. and don't get too excited about the independent auditor. I'm already calling shenanigans with it.

By the time the auditor examines their system, they can easily cover up or remove any damning evidence.

For example, they could disable Account 363's superuser access. They could fix it so there is absolutely zero evidence that the account ever had such access.

Obviously AP would not readily invite a third-party investigator into their computers and files if they weren't 100% sure they'd come out smelling like roses.

The only way I would accept the validity of this "audit" is if the auditor works in conjunction with a player representative who helps direct what is actually examined. I will volunteer for this job, but as long as any trusted 2+2er is selected for it, I'll be just as happy.

What I don't want to see is this auditor being led around on a leash by AP, and subsequently coming out giving them a favorable report.

[0evg0]

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What kind of "independent" audit is an audit carried out by the organisation that licenses AP to operate? Conflict of interest much?

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yahtzee!

[albedoa]

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"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

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An equitable remedy is a remedy under common law. A remedy under law would be under a statute.

It's just legal crap.

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Okay, but it's still clear that that section (maybe the whole thing) was either written by someone not too knowledgeable about English ('equitable' is still in the wrong form and 'procure' is totally wrong), or that it put together in a hurry.

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"remedies equitable" is a correct form of the term. It's just that the two words are so far away from each other in the sentence that it sounds weird. I agree the whole statement looks rushed.

Guys, this changes almost nothing about the situation besides the fact that they acknowledge the newest accusations. As stated, they wouldn't agree to a reputable auditor having access to everything unless the evidence is cleaned out.

[ikestoys]

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from the GamingAssociates website:

Gaming Associates is the exclusive technical consulting organisation to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. We are the Accredited Test Facility* (ATF) for the Commission, providing technical services in relation to all systems assurance. If you have any questions then please contact the Commission or our Kahnawake Project Manager at kgc@gamingassociates.com.

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This is hilarious.

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Independent Auditor ftw?

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I honestly can't think of a better realistic action for Absolute Poker to take. I'm obviously not convinced that Abso is going to come clean, but in all my dealings with them, I've gotten the impression of a inept security department, not a nefarious one. I'll obviously wait for the results of the audit to be released, but theres no way you can see this as negative step.

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that's why it would have been nice if there was a way to do all of this more quietly.

[Kimbell175113]

I think this is a time where many of us are trying to explain both the new developments and the entire saga to outsiders, and a new, comprehensive Cliff Notes would be a great help.

(Possibly two: one as a continuation of the investigation, a new thread just like this and the others, and one a from-scratch explanation for a layman)