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#51
04-22-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
In a STT, I simply do not feel bad stealing the blinds for a multitude of reasons that others have already posted.
In a MTT, I would give the guy about 5-10 minutes, then have at it... 
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#52
04-22-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
Dead money = my money
HIS connection problems are just that, HIS.
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#55
04-22-2006, 07:06 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
Unethical = unfair advantage. Unethical would be to agree with the other player not to steal blinds if there is a disconnect and then do it anyway. I agree with the Curtains crowd; we all start with the same risks/opportunities in respect of disconnects - it's just part of online poker.
Is it unethical to steal blinds on the first hand of the tourney when it is obvious that the portion of the table acting after you is still "sitting out"? Or after a period when the servers crashed and the tourney suddely restarts? Or after a break? Seems to me that this is pretty much the same as the "you must be in your seat when the last hand is dealt" rule in live action poker. And as far as I know, there is no heads up exception to that rule.
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#56
04-22-2006, 10:10 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
CSC is going too far in calling it "unethical" to steal the blinds of your disconnected HU opponent.
As I see it, this is an issue of sportsmanship, not ethics. How about this analogy: at a b&m event you are heads-up at the end of a MTT and your opponent has morning sickness. When she runs off to the restroom to puke, wouldn't you insist that the clock be stopped until she gets back?
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#57
04-22-2006, 11:11 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
Interesting analogy MBE, but perhaps ethics and sportsmanship colide more than you think. Unethical or Sportsmanship when you step on an opposing football players ankle after the play? Unethical or bad sportsmanship when you do a hard cleat first slide to break up a double play when the real goal is to injure the shortstop?
Chips are your players. Steal 1/9th of his chips and you've taken out his SS or OT, right? BTW, this did come up in a Pokerroom Grand a few months back. 1st was like $140k or something rediculous. One player got DCed and the other stole about 1.5M IIRC. When he got back, the DCed player was like "WTF?" The other guy felt bad about it, and give back SOME of the chips explaining, "Well, you should be punished for having a [censored] connection." Nice guy.
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#58
04-23-2006, 12:30 AM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
[ QUOTE ]
Interesting analogy MBE, but perhaps ethics and sportsmanship colide more than you think. Unethical or Sportsmanship when you step on an opposing football players ankle after the play? [/ QUOTE ] Both. [ QUOTE ] Unethical or bad sportsmanship when you do a hard cleat first slide to break up a double play when the real goal is to injure the shortstop? [/ QUOTE ] Both. [ QUOTE ] Chips are your players. Steal 1/9th of his chips and you've taken out his SS or OT, right? [/ QUOTE ] Well, I see a difference, ethically, between deliberately injuring a human being and taking his chips. Off the top of my head, I'd say that if you take advantage of someone else's misfortune in the course of the game, it's usually unsportsmanlike but usually not unethical. However, if you cause the opponent's misfortune, that's unethical. For example, in the example I gave before where HU your opponent runs to the restroom to puke, I think if you keep "playing" (i.e. taking her blinds) that would be unsportsmanlike but not unethical. But if you're the one who spiked her drink to cause her to become ill, that's unethical.
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#60
04-23-2006, 01:07 PM
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Re: MTT Heads Up Moral Dilemma - What\'s Your Move?
this is completely insane, i have no idea how there are 3 pages on this.
what about with 3 left? do you play or both wait? 4? still wait for the guy? everyone folds? how come when i disconnect early in a tournament, the other 800 players dont wait for me to return? they should all fold every hand until i come back right? and when you play you remember to open all 80 tables to make sure noone is sitting out so u can sitout too? how is it any different?
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