how can this NOT be collusion?

[baronzeus]

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What a joke.

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I agree 100%.

[Josh.]

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DumbAnimal and SavageGamble

Book It!!!


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There's almost no way those two were colluding considering every high limit player knows who they are. They just couldn't be that dumb.

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i believe those 2 are the same person. he didn't include the name of the other person involved

[Schneids]

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yeah man some of us might want to play these games in the future and would like to know who these players are. you never know man, if i hit a big donkey tournament score i will be up there in no time.

(no this is not a shot at schneids for obv reasons haha.. i was serious. but then i re-read it and it seemed like it could be construed as such)

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[Josh.]

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FWIW, I'm in the not-beyond-the-shadow-of-a-doubt camp.

If I were in your shoes, Josh, I'd report them to UB (which it looks like you've already done), and field PMs from people who might be interested in playing in this game and would like to know the identities of the players involved. But I think a public shaming is a bit much. I'm having a little bit of trouble wrapping my head around the fact that trying to get a calling station to fold in a huge pot is an ineffective collusive strategy.

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i agree with you, which is why i didn't want to let the names out. apparently someone figured it out so it's out anyway.

one thign i should add is that the player i noted as a bad LAG was playing a lto of hands in a short period of time but not showing down much, and according to schneids he is a great player, so i was wrong in my read. now it would make some sense if dumbanimal tossed AA-TT. the third player had laggy tendencies, ie cold capping Q7s from the bb, so it's possible dumbanimal was trying to protect his hand on the turn by inducing a raise from player B, and then 3-bet because he still liked his hand vs B's range. then when C, who we now know is a good postflop player, calls 2 cold on the river, he knows he's beat and lets it go.

unlikely, but conceivable. obviously this will be easy to prove for ub. if he had a big hand he's absolved. otherwise he cheated

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i believe those 2 are the same person. he didn't include the name of the other person involved

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Yeah, but there's some account sharing there (or was at one point) which is why I made the comment.

Edit: Nevermind I see

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[daisyglaze]

Hand #30428937-13526 at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 02/Apr/06 05:22:12

GASSITT is at seat 0 with $31183.
dumbanimal is at seat 2 with $15011.50.
hogbird is at seat 3 with $22025.
FooledUB is at seat 4 with $61296.
The button is at seat 3.

FooledUB posts the small blind of $150.
GASSITT posts the big blind of $300.

GASSITT: -- --
dumbanimal: -- --
hogbird: -- --
FooledUB: -- --

Pre-flop:

dumbanimal raises to $600. hogbird re-raises to $900.
FooledUB folds. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal
re-raises to $1200. hogbird calls. GASSITT calls.


Flop (board: 5c 4d 9d):

GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $300. hogbird
raises to $600. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal calls.


Turn (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s):

ZooCougar has disconnected, is dropped.
GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird
raises to $1200. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal
re-raises to $1800. hogbird calls. GASSITT calls.


River (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s 7h):

GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird
raises to $1200. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal folds.




Showdown:

hogbird shows Jh 8h.
hogbird has Jh 8h 5c 9d 7h: jack high.
GASSITT shows 5d 7d.
GASSITT has 5d 7d 5c 9d 7h: two pair, sevens and fives.


Hand #30428937-13526 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $13950.
GASSITT wins $13948 with two pair, sevens and fives.

[James282]

lol, maybe animal was tilting, but he pays off like crazy. There is literally no chance he folded TT here. The last time I played this game, I capped AA on a K972 flush draw board, he called. River was an 8, he called my bet and had Q2s. Let me repeat, he didn't fold an overpair in this 23 or whatever bet pot.
-James

[bugman68]

20 bucks says dumbanimal had the 38 of diamonds

[limon]

misclick holds no water because there is no reason to be there on the river. more likely collusion. this game is much bigger than the 2000pl/nl at party and cheating there is rampant.

it looks to much like collusion so it isnt is rediculous. many great poker players are only good or mediocre cheaters. even somne great cheaters "steam" when they need money and out themselves.

i love the argument that the guy is a famous big game player so its less likely hes cheating. "big time" winning players go through 500bb downswings just like the rest of us and hate it even more becuase usually they are playing wayyyy over there head, thats how they became big shots in the 1st place. they *know* they will win over time so start to think they should skin the sheep instead of shearing them.

if you play regularly at the highest limits on any site uve been the victem of a world class cheating team whether you know it or not. i can tell you that the medium (40/80ish) live games in los angeles are squeaky clean since the on-line explosion. there used to be complaints and barrings and strange shuffling of "regulars" in these games on about a 6 month shift. i haven't noticed this in over a year. even though these games should be ripe for cheating because of all the new blood.

[Nikla]

This is a pretty disturbing hand.