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10-20-2007, 10:22 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why do I doubt that you were as outraged when the GOP led the charge to condemn the right of free speech exercised by moveon.org and the freedom of the press by the NY Times? [/ QUOTE ] Does a 501(c)(3) organization have free political speech? Didn't think so. [/ QUOTE ] Umm, yes. Amendment I. Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press I think my source trumps yours. [/ QUOTE ] IRS trumps everyone, moron. Ace of Trump [/ QUOTE ] Whatever the IRS law, if Congressmen are on the floor condemning an ad in a newspaper, they are condemning free speech. Just because the law already restricts free speech does not mean the concept of free speech all of a sudden doesn't exist. The Constitutional reference merely shows that the right of free speech is acknowledged by our government. That reference doesn't mean that that right is respected in practice. [/ QUOTE ] A fine dodge and slight-of-hand. Buh Bye. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you are right. The first amendment does not really exist any more because the IRS said so. [/ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. 
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10-20-2007, 10:22 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why do I doubt that you were as outraged when the GOP led the charge to condemn the right of free speech exercised by moveon.org and the freedom of the press by the NY Times? [/ QUOTE ] Does a 501(c)(3) organization have free political speech? Didn't think so. [/ QUOTE ] Umm, yes. Amendment I. Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press I think my source trumps yours. [/ QUOTE ] IRS trumps everyone, moron. Ace of Trump [/ QUOTE ] Whatever the IRS law, if Congressmen are on the floor condemning an ad in a newspaper, they are condemning free speech. Just because the law already restricts free speech does not mean the concept of free speech all of a sudden doesn't exist. The Constitutional reference merely shows that the right of free speech is acknowledged by our government. That reference doesn't mean that that right is respected in practice. [/ QUOTE ] A fine dodge and slight-of-hand. Buh Bye. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you are right. The first amendment does not really exist any more because the IRS said so. [/ QUOTE ] You didn't answer the question asked. You answered some other question. The question was "Does a 501(c)(3) organization have free political speech?" Such a group of people certainly have a *right* to speech. But the law as stands violates that right. Their speech is NOT FREE.
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#54
10-20-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line.
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10-20-2007, 10:26 PM
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Such a group of people certainly have a *right* to speech. But the law as stands violates that right. Their speech is NOT FREE. [/ QUOTE ] Fine. And my post helped point out that the law violates this right (which was the intent). Win / win.
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#56
10-20-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line. [/ QUOTE ] Thats one of the reasons they don't get tax benefits. ooops
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10-20-2007, 10:30 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line. [/ QUOTE ] Thats one of the reasons they don't get tax benefits. ooops [/ QUOTE ] Yes they do. 501(c)(3) is a section of the Tax Code that covers charitable, educational, religious, etc organizations. These entities have to file for this status and must disclose to anyone inquiring what their status is. Donations to 501(c)(3) groups are tax deductible
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#58
10-20-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line. [/ QUOTE ] Thats one of the reasons they don't get tax benefits. ooops [/ QUOTE ] Then what not-for-profit rules would they have to worry about? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you are the moron that the poster above claimed you are, arent you? I'll take you through it in easy steps. moveon.org organizes as a not-for-profit. a requirement of not-for profits is that they don't get involved in politics or make political contributions. moveon.org wants to put a political ad in the NYT. they have a choice...don't place the ad, or retract their not-for-profit status. Even that doesnt get them totally out of the clear if they want to support a particular political party, because of contribution limits and it will also be interesting to see if they try to violate McCain Feingold. Id love to see Sorass [sic] take it up the butt with a huge fine.
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#59
10-20-2007, 10:38 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line. [/ QUOTE ] Thats one of the reasons they don't get tax benefits. ooops [/ QUOTE ] Then what not-for-profit rules would they have to worry about? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you are the moron that the poster above claimed you are, arent you? I'll take you through it in easy steps. moveon.org organizes as a not-for-profit. a requirement of not-for profits is that they don't get involved in politics or make political contributions. moveon.org wants to put a political ad in the NYT. they have a choice...don't place the ad, or retract their not-for-profit status. Even that doesnt get them totally out of the clear if they want to support a particular political party, because of contribution limits and it will also be interesting to see if they try to violate McCain Feingold. Id love to see Sorass [sic] take it up the butt with a huge fine. [/ QUOTE ] Okay that clears it up thanks. Now I see what you were getting at. Didn't realize moveon.org was unique in being a non-profit engaged in politics. Now that you've taken the time to enlighten me, I agree with your posts. Looks like we were agreeing in our takes on politcial orgs and taxes. after all. Sorry for being a moron.
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10-20-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: Limbaugh Smear Letter: Why Talk Radio is Needed
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They have as much freedom of speech as they want, all they have to do is retract their not for profit status. Think reaalll hard and see if you can understand why a political organization should not operate tax free. [/ QUOTE ] Think real hard why its a bad idea to give political organizations any tax benefits at all which can be taken away if they get out of line. [/ QUOTE ] Thats one of the reasons they don't get tax benefits. ooops [/ QUOTE ] Then what not-for-profit rules would they have to worry about? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, you are the moron that the poster above claimed you are, arent you? I'll take you through it in easy steps. moveon.org organizes as a not-for-profit. a requirement of not-for profits is that they don't get involved in politics or make political contributions. moveon.org wants to put a political ad in the NYT. they have a choice...don't place the ad, or retract their not-for-profit status. Even that doesnt get them totally out of the clear if they want to support a particular political party, because of contribution limits and it will also be interesting to see if they try to violate McCain Feingold. Id love to see Sorass [sic] take it up the butt with a huge fine. [/ QUOTE ] Okay that clears it up thanks. Now I see what you were getting at. Didn't realize moveon.org was unique in being a non-profit engaged in politics. Now that you've taken the time to enlighten me, I agree with your posts. Looks like we were agreeing in our takes on politcial orgs and taxes. after all. Sorry for being a moron. [/ QUOTE ] my bad too then...I thought you were intentionally being obtuse like too many of the posters here.
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