OFFICIAL NCAAF Rank'em thread: October 14, 2007 - Page 6

RandomUser · #51 10-14-2007, 02:33 PM

The BCS will shake itself out over the next month as the schedule difficulty of most teams increase.

I do hate how 1-loss teams are differentiated based on when they got their loss.

Having Oklahoma move ahead of LSU in the rankins is a perfect example of this.

If Ohio State goes into Michigan undefeated and loses a close game against a #~15ish Michigan, they will drop below a bunch of other 1-loss teams who lost earlier in the season.

Austiger · #52 10-14-2007, 02:34 PM

Tomcollins- You're just looking at the champions. What about the teams like '03 USC and '04 Auburn that could have been champions were it not for Oklahoma being sacrificed after winning a weak Big XII in '04, or not winning a weak big XII in '03?

What about this scenario- If Wisconsin had beaten Michigan last year, they would have played Ohio State in the Big 10 title game, a.k.a. BCS title game in a battle of undefeated teams just because the Big 10 allows two teams to go undefeated without playing each other. Florida would have watched on TV and everyone would have proclaimed the Wisky/OSU winner the greatest team of the decade. The system needs to be changed.

FlyWf · #53 10-14-2007, 02:35 PM

That's a terrible article. OSU has not played that remarkably bad of a schedule. He's all over the SEC's jock when if there is one conference notorious for never playing a decent OOC opponent it's the SEC.

The BCS's flaws are 100% the very predictable flaws of the human voters. They care about when you lose wayy too much, they don't value strength of schedule enough, they don't give teams enough credit for narrow losses nor do they correctly debit teams for narrow victories over bad competition. None of this is groundbreaking stuff, every halfway attentive fan on this forum knew that Wisconsin was a fraud at #5.

LSU's narrow loss on the road to a good team was a more impressive outcome than BC's victory over ND. Voters, were they not retarded, could very easily vote LSU over BC.

Austiger · #54 10-14-2007, 02:47 PM

Fly- It's not SEC vs. Big10 argument. It's the principle that some schedules are strong and some are weak which is why you need a playoff.

Also, LOL at Ohio State's schedule not being bad. Do they play a top 20 team all year?

FlyWf · #55 10-14-2007, 03:08 PM

OSU will probably finish with a SoS between 20-40.

Why do you "need" a playoff? I'll guess that you'll give the normal answer of making sure the best team wins the championship. No other major sport comes even close to NCAA as far as having a top team ending up with the eventual championship precisely because it doesn't have a playoff. A one game single elimination tournament is a TERRIBLE way of determining the best team.

Remember when I was listing the flaws of human voters? One of them was caring about "when you lose wayy too much". A playoff cares way, way, wayyy too much about when you lose.

If some schedules are strong and some are weak the current system already has a way to compensate for that, and in fact the current system does compensate for it(inaccurately, but it's there). There's a reason why LSU is ranked above Hawaii.

Austiger · #56 10-14-2007, 03:22 PM

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This is never my answer. We need a playoff so that every team (within reason) will have a chance to win the championship on the field.

TalkingDonkey · #57 10-14-2007, 04:46 PM

In light of Michigan's resurrection is some of the heat off Carr/English/DeBord? We had all written them off for dead after ASU/Oregon, but it turns out Oregon is a damn good team, and Michigan has won 5 straight since then against some tough teams. Wisconsin no longer looks like a tough game, and it's going to be telling how UM plays against Illinois whether they can handle OSU. IMO tOSU is not one of the better #1 teams in recent memory - playing only 2 winning D-1 schools so far is a joke - LSU winning massively tough games and losing to a very good UK team on the road shouldn't cause them to be punished - I don't know if I could pull the trigger on it but I understand the LSU at #1 argument. To have BC and USF in the top 3 is a total joke.

ReDeYES88 · #58 10-14-2007, 04:58 PM

From ESPN

Here's a quick look at the first edition of the BCS standings.

1. Ohio State
2. South Florida
3. Boston College
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Kentucky
8. Arizona State
9. West Virginia
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. California
13. Kansas
14. USC
15. Florida
16. Missouri
17. Auburn
18. Hawaii
19. Virginia
20. Georgia

NozeCandy · #59 10-14-2007, 05:10 PM

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If they aren't gone at the end of this year, the fans will riot. Seriously.

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If Ohio State goes into Michigan undefeated and loses a close game against a #~15ish Michigan, they will drop below a bunch of other 1-loss teams who lost earlier in the season.

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This was a huge sticking point last year. The commissioner even said he was willing to look into moving the game to an earlier date so one of the two perennial best teams in the conference don't get punished out of proportion to a team that lost early but won late.

TomCollins · #60 10-14-2007, 05:13 PM

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In light of Michigan's resurrection is some of the heat off Carr/English/DeBord? We had all written them off for dead after ASU/Oregon, but it turns out Oregon is a damn good team, and Michigan has won 5 straight since then against some tough teams.

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If they aren't gone at the end of this year, the fans will riot. Seriously.

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If Ohio State goes into Michigan undefeated and loses a close game against a #~15ish Michigan, they will drop below a bunch of other 1-loss teams who lost earlier in the season.

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This was a huge sticking point last year. The commissioner even said he was willing to look into moving the game to an earlier date so one of the two perennial best teams in the conference don't get punished out of proportion to a team that lost early but won late.

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I wouldn't want to have the OSU-Michigan game anywhere but at the end of the season. If you lose that game, you shouldn't care about your ranking anyway.