un-clutchest pitcher of our generation

[PokerFink]

1. BH Kim
2. Benitez
3. Jose Mesa
4. Hoffman

[TheNoodleMan]

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Whoever is closing for the Braves at any given time unless his name is Smoltz. Wohlers, Wickman, Rocker, Kolb, and Liebrandt when he got put back there.

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Lets not forget Kerry Lightenberg and his retarded sideburns that seemed to point like arrows to his mouth as if to say insert [censored] here.

[mo42nyy]

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Whoever is closing for the Braves at any given time unless his name is Smoltz. Wohlers, Wickman, Rocker, Kolb, and Liebrandt when he got put back there.

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what about kyle the human geasefire farnsworth

[DrewDevil]

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1) if he pitches with the blister and gets lit up everyone will say hes an [censored] for being selfish
2)he has a 2.37 era in the world series

Never happened? Did you see the 2000 or 2001 post seasons?

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Evidence from Clemens' tenure with the Astros:

--absolutely the best pitcher in baseball during reg. season of 2004 and 2005
--couldn't hold the lead in game 7 of NLCS in 2004
--asked out of game 2 of WS in 2005 with tender hammy

Even though he hasn't been "bad" in the playoffs, there has been a noticeable drop-off in his pitching compared to his reg. season dominance.

IMO

[NajdorfDefense]

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Mitch Williams doesn't even get an honorable mention here?

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The question was 'generation,' not alltime throughout the Omniverse.

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Whoever is closing for the Braves at any given time unless his name is Smoltz. Wohlers, Wickman, Rocker, Kolb, and Liebrandt when he got put back there.

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what about kyle the human geasefire farnsworth

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I predict a heated anti-Farnsworth thread by the time playoffs are over. Maybe Mets sign him in offseason barring the discovery of steroid needles in his apartment...

[Suigin406]

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Byung Hyun Kim ship it.

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[sethypooh21]

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1) if he pitches with the blister and gets lit up everyone will say hes an [censored] for being selfish
2)he has a 2.37 era in the world series

Never happened? Did you see the 2000 or 2001 post seasons?

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Evidence from Clemens' tenure with the Astros:

--absolutely the best pitcher in baseball during reg. season of 2004 and 2005
--couldn't hold the lead in game 7 of NLCS in 2004
--asked out of game 2 of WS in 2005 with tender hammy

Even though he hasn't been "bad" in the playoffs, there has been a noticeable drop-off in his pitching compared to his reg. season dominance.

IMO

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Right. Most of the guys mentioned in this thread just plain suck - they aren't unclutch, they just are who we thought they were. For the best pitcher of the generation/all time Clemens has a history of shrinking from the moment.

If the topic was basketball, my answer would be "Karl Malone" even though you can argue people like Nick Anderson or John "1-17 in game" 7 Starks, my response would be that they just kinda sucked (one lefty dunk aside), but Malone was supposed to be good, but never, EVER came through in a big spot...

[mo42nyy]

theres been a slight dropoff in the playoffs
hes been great at times and terrible at times
i didnt say he was curt schilling in the playoffs
hes basically performed at a similar level to his regular season numbers for his career
To pitch a little worse that he has in the regular season does not make him a choke artist, far from it.

Tom Gordon, Jose Mesa, Benitez, Billy Wagner, Hoffan- guys performing significantly worse in the biggest spots than they do in a normal spot is what makes a choke artist.

[nyc999]

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Roger Clemens

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"Through the end of 2006, Clemens's total postseason record is 12-8 in 33 starts, with a 3.66 ERA. Clemens' World Series record is 3-0 in 8 starts, with an ERA of 2.37."