wanting to become a cop

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

"OP, dunno about your state, but the NYPD gives a "second chance" to previous felons."

hahhahahhaahahhahaahahaha

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dont do it. my dad is a cop. he and his friend hate theyre lives. they hate everyone. if youre going to be a cop in a big city, you will eventually hate people. you will become insanely racist, etc. trust me, its a bad idea. it changes you, for the worst

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I'm going to guess becoming a cop isn't what made your dad a huge racist or mad him hate his life. Just a shot in the dark...

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Pretty lousy shooting.

You're in no position to judge. The guy just told you something honest and you paid him back in snark. Way to go.

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Oh my [censored] God blarg, are you for real? The guy was being a complete jackass and has one completely baseless statement about how his dad is a huge racist douche who hates his life. Can you not see how retarded that is?

The guy's job is tough. Sure. Probably the hardest job out there (at least close, not as tough as being a soldier). I highly doubt that it made him a racist or made him "hate his life" or "hate everyone". I wasn't being "snarky", I was being right.

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You don't know the kid or the dad. The sum total of your information is zero. Based on that, your "insight" was highly prejudiced, to say the least. And even when called on basically shooting from the hip in a pretty nasty way about people you know nothing about, you still don't have the humility to say that maybe you overstepped your bounds.

There's no reason to try for the double-crush on both the poster and his dad. That's just free-floating anger or snottiness or something that's not very cool.

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im pretty paranoid of both policemen and our beloved soliders. these are such lousy jobs that i ask myself "why would anyone want to do them?". then i make a list of people in my hs who went on to do these professions and it gets even scarier.

a guy joins The Marines, which of course I just want to say "God Bless Our Soliders". Now his job is to defend America, which he does by learning how to kill people. In the civilized world we put people in jail for killing people, yet now he is a hero for doing it? So maybe these are all sane guys willing to sacrifice themselves for what they feel is a greater cause, or maybe they just think itd be cool to fire a machine gun at someone or slam them against the hood of their car.

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There's something to that. One of the worst bullies I knew became a cop. Serial killer Richard Ramirez, "the Nightstalker," was taught by his uncle, a neighborhood crook and psycho who joined the armed services and then became a big war hero while letting loose every bit of psycho he had in him, taught Ramirez how to burgle houses and showed him sick photos of his personal atrocities, including sexual ones.

Then again, my stepdad was a reserve police officer, and while he had plenty of problems, wanting to beat up perps wasn't one of them.

There are many reasons for taking up the profession, but it does draw a lot of bad types who simply want to do it under authority.

[KDawg]

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What state you in? Looking for town or state police?

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nj ... looking to get into local police, just an option though not my only direction

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you shouldn't have a problem. I think it's almost required to have done drugs at some point to be an NJ cop [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. There were a few guys I hung out with a lot my freshman year at rutgers that partied harder then me and are now on teh Rutherford force. It depends on which area of NJ you are looking into, but I don't think that your past history will effect you negatively

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edge you're being retarded, ask your cop buddy if he knows any guys who burned out on the job and are now the typical jaded-cop stereotype. having a cool cop as your gay lover doesn't apply to any other case, and I think that he is more the exception than the rule to dealing with the stresses of the job

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LOL, whatever dude. You're completely missing the point of my post. A guy comes out and talks about his racist dad who hates his life, and implies its directly related to the job. Every cop I know and most I hear about seem to do just fine with the job. I'm sure some are jaded, but so are a lot of guys working office jobs. And so are a ton of pro poker players who do nothing but sit in casinos or in front of computers....

Nice try with the gay lover line though. But yo' mama so fat, she got more chins than a Chinese phone book...BURN...

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He said it's related to the job, and thinks it's common enough to the job to imply it may happen to anyone.

This is a fair statement.

What is not a fair statement is saying no job, particularly this one, can change a person and bring out bad things in him. I'd say every job changes a person, whether they want to believe it or not. All of life does. And a cop's job can be a lot more intense than most.

It's what I think of a "hangover job." It's really hard not to take it home with you and live your normal life with the unvented stresses and anger and cynicism that's a part of your daily life. Think of a social worker. Both jobs may start people off with infinite optimism, and both regularly churn out embittered, emotionally exhausted cynics and, I'd guess, people with substance abuse problems.

If you think you yourself could never change when put under continuous negative pressure for years, you're kidding yourself. It's a pleasant, reassuring though to believe otherwise, but really nobody knows how they'd turn out.

I don't think you understand how scary that is, because you sound like you're in denial. Maybe you're scared of yourself? You should be. All of us should be scared of what it is we could do in hard circumstances or under temptation.

Some of us are well aware of the possible outcomes, and steer themselves clear of having to find out.

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my dad is a cop. He works at a prison now but was hired as a cop in the state orgoen. or how ever you spel it, they live outside of portland.

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You got it right! Orgoen.

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edge you're being retarded, ask your cop buddy if he knows any guys who burned out on the job and are now the typical jaded-cop stereotype. having a cool cop as your gay lover doesn't apply to any other case, and I think that he is more the exception than the rule to dealing with the stresses of the job

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LOL, whatever dude. You're completely missing the point of my post. A guy comes out and talks about his racist dad who hates his life, and implies its directly related to the job. Every cop I know and most I hear about seem to do just fine with the job. I'm sure some are jaded, but so are a lot of guys working office jobs. And so are a ton of pro poker players who do nothing but sit in casinos or in front of computers....

Nice try with the gay lover line though. But yo' mama so fat, she got more chins than a Chinese phone book...BURN...

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He said it's related to the job, and thinks it's common enough to the job to imply it may happen to anyone.

This is a fair statement.

What is not a fair statement is saying no job, particularly this one, can change a person and bring out bad things in him. I'd say every job changes a person, whether they want to believe it or not. All of life does. And a cop's job can be a lot more intense than most.

It's what I think of a "hangover job." It's really hard not to take it home with you and live your normal life with the unvented stresses and anger and cynicism that's a part of your daily life. Think of a social worker. Both jobs may start people off with infinite optimism, and both regularly churn out embittered, emotionally exhausted cynics and, I'd guess, people with substance abuse problems.

If you think you yourself could never change when put under continuous negative pressure for years, you're kidding yourself. It's a pleasant, reassuring though to believe otherwise, but really nobody knows how they'd turn out.

I don't think you understand how scary that is, because you sound like you're in denial. Maybe you're scared of yourself? You should be. All of us should be scared of what it is we could do in hard circumstances or under temptation.

Some of us are well aware of the possible outcomes, and steer themselves clear of having to find out.

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Blarg,

Because I'm interested in having good discussion, and you seem to be for the most part, I'll add my last two cents.

Really, nowhere did I say that it wasn't at all possible for a good number of people to become jaded with the job of a police officer. It probably has the potential for burn out a lot faster than most jobs. My point of comparison was that simply blaming the job, as the guy who says his dad hates his life does, is irresponsible at best and completely ignorant and dishonest at worst.

There are lots of people out there who burn out on their jobs. My primary point in responding to that guy was that the implication that the job is what made his dad a racist who hates his life isn't fair at all to the great majority of police officers who have healthy, fruitful careers and lives. I used my friend as a counterpoint to his awful example. The bit about people in the offices or poker players was merely a way of saying ANY job can burn a guy out and change their view on life. My own dad's office job took a pretty steep toll on him for years, likely contributing to the stress that led to a near-fatal heart attack this past New Year's Eve.

It happens. I just hate to see people ignorantly and foolishly attack cops, who provide perhaps one of the most necessary services in this country. It happens every time a thread about police is started on 2+2, and honestly it just makes me sick.

Long post short - we really agree on the possible effects of the cop lifestyle on people. But to make a statement saying "Don't become a cop. My dad is and because of that he hates his life and has become a major racist" is disgusting. That's what I had an issue with.

[John Spartan]

Yeah who wouldn't want to do this:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/...327News004.asp

Or this:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/14/police.torture/

Or this:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/09/police.kill.dog/


I got love for cops [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

The thing that bugs me the most though is the increased prison sentences for attacks on cops. If you assault a regular citizen, you might avoid jail time. No way you're getting less than a decade in jail if you assault a cop. Cops are not special people imo and do not deserve special treatment.

They don't really protect people and people should not rely on cops to protect their lives and property. People need to learn to protect themselves. Take mixed martial arts classes, get a concealed handgun permit, whatever. If someone breaks into your house, the only time you should need to call the cops is after you've already put a few holes in the intruder, just so they can cart away the body. Be sure to have some e'claires and boston cremes on hand for your city's/town's/village's finest.

But come on, guys, it takes a real man to do this:

"The Smoaks told CNN that as they knelt, handcuffed, they pleaded with officers to close the doors of their car so their two dogs would not escape, but the officers did not heed them.

Pamela Smoak is seen on the tape looking up at an officer, telling him slowly, "That dog is not mean. He won't hurt you."

Her husband says, "I got a dog in the car. I don't want him to jump out."

The tape then shows the Smoaks' medium-size brown dog romping on the shoulder of the Interstate, its tail wagging. As the family yells, the dog, named Patton, first heads away from the road, then quickly circles back toward the family.

An officer in a blue uniform aims his shotgun at the dog and fires at its head, killing it immediately.

For several moments, all that is audible are shrieks as the family reacts to the shooting. James Smoak even stands up, but officers pull him back down. "

Only cop I love is John Spartan, and he's fictional.

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I skimmed this thread fully expecting to see tuq reference to me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

OP, PM me with any questions.

Now I'll go back through and read the posts and calculate the garbage to quality advice ratio.

[NoahSD]

Just know that if you're a NJ cop, I'll be scared shitless of you and will hate you if you ever say a word to me.