I made a deal last night that cost me an arm and a leg...

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wpr- i get how you viewed the situation relative to your bankroll..and Im all for chopping if everyone agrees and its equitable. i just think everyone was a bit hasty in caving in to the one bully at the table..thats all. congrats on your big cash!

my 2cents- i find chopping live to be much easier for reasons i mentioned above in my 1st post..typically everyone at a final gets along fairly well and when conditions make sense, chopping for better than 3rd place money usually is makes sense. nice when 1st is a huge nut and everyone gets a piece..

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my 2cents- i find chopping live to be much easier for reasons i mentioned above in my 1st post..typically everyone at a final gets along fairly well and when conditions make sense, chopping for better than 3rd place money usually is makes sense. nice when 1st is a huge nut and everyone gets a piece..

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I chopped live once. It wasn't that large a tournament, $60 buyin with a top prize of $1900. We got down to 4 players and the worst player with least amount of chips didn't understand what a chip chop was or what percents are (he wanted 1/4 and nothing else). He was an a-hole in general even before we discussed deal making. He got eliminated and literally the remaining three of us were high fiving each other. We had gotten to know each other over the past hour or so and despite not having exactly even chips all three of us were completely happy to split the prize pool evenly. I cannot imagine the same thing happening online.

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loc,

aejones may be a dick at times, but hes pretty damn good at poker.

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aejones may be a dick at times, but hes pretty damn good at poker.

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The latter's relevance to the former is negligible.

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aejones may be a dick at times, but hes pretty damn good at poker.

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The former's relevance to the latter is also negligible.

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aejones may be a dick at times, but hes pretty damn good at poker.

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I never said either was or wasn't negligible, I'm just saying call him a jerk all you want but don't say he sucks at poker.

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That is more debatable. You are a dick -> you make people tilt and play bad against you -> you rule at poker.

What I was trying to say is that Ansky appears to be justifying your dickishness, P5-style, by you being good at poker. As if that made it ok to be an [censored].

The latter wasn't up to debate at that point. Edit: I guess I missed this last part....never you mind.

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are you guys talking about this post ?

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BTW to those saying "X-cool person has good chopping skills." or "chopping talk is a poker skill."

A few things: First of all, I'm dead serious about my chop talk. I always offer people to give me a ridiculous deal, if not, I don't chop that [censored]. It basically comes down to: I don't need it for my bankroll, I think I have an edge over the table.

The only situation I could envision chopping is final three at the Stars million with like... maybe Ansky and (insert someone else I thought was good from MTTc, not one comes to the top of my head). Then, I would be like wtf 200k and 60k is just too swingy, let's just throw 20 off first to third and play that shizz out.

Other than that, I will define good chopping skillz:

You are an a-hole.

You are very good at poker and feel you have an EV greater than the chips in front of you.

You can say things other people wanna hear.

You have experience and this is not your only final table.

Honestly, I'm obviously a master chopping judging by the criteria.

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because i thoguht it kinda sucked. people dont think deal making is some complicated skill, it's just having a grasp for what your actual equity is (not just "I don't need it for my bankroll, I think I have an edge over the table." lol) and possibly making a +EV decision. (or -EV if guaranteed money had some diminishing utility thing going for you). Saying the things people want to hear helps, as would some experience int he situation, but thats pretty obvious no? I thought aejones post was typical longwinded brag..

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aejones,
your policy sucks, you should be taking any +$EV deal, even if it is slightly less ridiculous than the ones you are offering. Not saying you should take a chip chop or even an ICM-based deal, but you're probably overestimating your skill advantage with short stacks.

That said, I have pretty much the same policy.

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That is more debatable. You are a dick -> you make people tilt and play bad against you -> you rule at poker.

What I was trying to say is that Ansky appears to be justifying your dickishness, P5-style, by you being good at poker. As if that made it ok to be an [censored].

The latter wasn't up to debate at that point. Edit: I guess I missed this last part....never you mind.

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Ummm I never excused anything...

anyway, having met aejones he isnt an awful human being.