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#52
04-12-2007, 02:04 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
b-dog,
You own me a lot. I have no response. 
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#53
04-12-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] Why does everyone not understand this simple concept? An idea is not bound to being in one physical location like a chair is. If I have a chair, it means everyone else does not have that chair. If I have an idea, it DOES NOT mean that I am depriving anyone else of posession of it. You are confusing scarcity with rareness. An idea might be rare, but this does not mean it is scarce. [/ QUOTE ] Okay...so expand outward with this idea, then. Let's say that all IP laws are dissolved. What does the situation look like for, say, a musician? [/ QUOTE ] If I have a law that makes me the only person allowed to create software in the world, and that law is abolished, my income is going to drop a lot. Musicians will probably be more focused on performances that cannot be reproduced or companies that produce records will try to make them very hard to copy without permission.
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#54
04-12-2007, 02:10 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why does everyone not understand this simple concept? An idea is not bound to being in one physical location like a chair is. If I have a chair, it means everyone else does not have that chair. If I have an idea, it DOES NOT mean that I am depriving anyone else of posession of it. You are confusing scarcity with rareness. An idea might be rare, but this does not mean it is scarce. [/ QUOTE ] Okay...so expand outward with this idea, then. Let's say that all IP laws are dissolved. What does the situation look like for, say, a musician? [/ QUOTE ] No different than it does today for 99.9% of musicians who labor creatively with no hope of being compensated for it? [/ QUOTE ] So it is better to adversely affect one segment of a group of people and neutrally affect the rest of the group than to at least let some of them benefit?
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#55
04-12-2007, 02:12 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] No...but the ability to have those ideas is scarce. Not everyone can make a breakthrough in quantum physics. Not everyone can write "Hey Jude." Not everyone can envision a new cancer treatment. Just because there is no tangible restriction on resources doesn't mean that there isn't a restriction on the ability for people to produce those ideas. [/ QUOTE ] And even without IP laws, nobody will be able to steal your "ability to have those ideas". That ability is still scarce, and yours alone. [/ QUOTE ] Terrific, as long as I keep them to myself. Unfortunately, if I wanted to, say, get paid for my idea, I'd have to share it with others. However, as soon as I do that, now it's not my idea any more, so how can I demand compensation for it?
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#56
04-12-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No...but the ability to have those ideas is scarce. Not everyone can make a breakthrough in quantum physics. Not everyone can write "Hey Jude." Not everyone can envision a new cancer treatment. Just because there is no tangible restriction on resources doesn't mean that there isn't a restriction on the ability for people to produce those ideas. [/ QUOTE ] And even without IP laws, nobody will be able to steal your "ability to have those ideas". That ability is still scarce, and yours alone. [/ QUOTE ] Terrific, as long as I keep them to myself. Unfortunately, if I wanted to, say, get paid for my idea, I'd have to share it with others. However, as soon as I do that, now it's not my idea any more, so how can I demand compensation for it? [/ QUOTE ] That's your problem, not mine. Why do you feel you're entitled to compensation?
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#57
04-12-2007, 02:15 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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So it is better to adversely affect one segment of a group of people and neutrally affect the rest of the group than to at least let some of them benefit? [/ QUOTE ] Neutral? Are you sure?
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#58
04-12-2007, 02:17 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No...but the ability to have those ideas is scarce. Not everyone can make a breakthrough in quantum physics. Not everyone can write "Hey Jude." Not everyone can envision a new cancer treatment. Just because there is no tangible restriction on resources doesn't mean that there isn't a restriction on the ability for people to produce those ideas. [/ QUOTE ] And even without IP laws, nobody will be able to steal your "ability to have those ideas". That ability is still scarce, and yours alone. [/ QUOTE ] Terrific, as long as I keep them to myself. Unfortunately, if I wanted to, say, get paid for my idea, I'd have to share it with others. However, as soon as I do that, now it's not my idea any more, so how can I demand compensation for it? [/ QUOTE ] That's your problem, not mine. Why do you feel you're entitled to compensation? [/ QUOTE ] Why do you feel you're entitled to compensation for anything you do, either?
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#59
04-12-2007, 02:18 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] So it is better to adversely affect one segment of a group of people and neutrally affect the rest of the group than to at least let some of them benefit? [/ QUOTE ] Neutral? Are you sure? [/ QUOTE ] I'm going off the model I was given. I have yet to hear how this benefits musicians on the whole.
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#60
04-12-2007, 02:25 PM
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Re: Two points against Intellectual property laws
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So it is better to adversely affect one segment of a group of people and neutrally affect the rest of the group than to at least let some of them benefit? [/ QUOTE ] Neutral? Are you sure? [/ QUOTE ] I'm going off the model I was given. I have yet to hear how this benefits musicians on the whole. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, by "rest of the group" I thought you meant everyone, not just musicians. So why do you ignore the effects on everyone else?
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