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12-29-2006, 06:58 PM
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Self-defense
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[ QUOTE ] It has been remarked by historians studying the great empires of the past that pre-eminent among the warning signs of their decay was supreme arrogance, i.e. self-defined notions of absolute invincibility and omnipotence permeating the empire. [/ QUOTE ] Self defense is not a vice... Self defense is not arrogance... [/ QUOTE ]Hilarious. You would have a better chance of preventing mirth if you admitted that almost all the military excursions abroad since WWII, engaged by the U.S., have been to project power and to promote geopolitical interests rather than self defense. "Stop them before we have to fight them in California" and all that crap just doesn't cut it anymore. Admit the truth, and we'll take it from there. 
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#52
12-29-2006, 07:18 PM
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Re: US to leave the UN?
The UN doesn't have a ton of power, but in many ways it acts as a world government, and this is unacceptable. If it were simply an organization for us to talk to other countries, that would be fine, but when they try forcing countries to follow their rules of what they see as right and wrong, that's no good. Also, we give the UN obscene amounts of money, and that needs to stop.
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#53
12-29-2006, 07:27 PM
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Re: An Eye for an Eye....
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Self defense is not a vice... Self defense is not arrogance... [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. [ QUOTE ] Syria and Iran provide aid to insurgents and terrorists who are killing American soldiers. Appeasment to dictators does not have a very good track record. Any military retaliation against Iran and Syria is more than justified... [/ QUOTE ] So... you have a problem with their self defense? We're the ones who started this crap.
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#54
12-29-2006, 08:17 PM
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Re: US to leave the UN?
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Ever take a bunch of guests out to dinner, insult you continuously, then foot you the bill? The UN is a joke. Oh no! We will write you a letter to tell you how angry we are! [/ QUOTE ] Tom, The U.S. has not paid U.N. dues in a long time. Japan and others contribute a lot to the U.N.
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#55
12-29-2006, 09:13 PM
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Re: US to leave the UN?
The UN does not have the power to force the US or any other country to implement any of their decisions. (see Kyoto or the International Court of Justice). The only thing that comes close to "forcing" power is the security council, but that can't stop a country like the US to go to war (okay, maybe it would have needed some more power to let UN inspectors look for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...).
In economic matters the UN does have a big influence, but that only on countries that get money from Worldbank or IMF so, that should not be a problem for the US. So the UNs problem is precisely that it is only an organization where countries "talk to each other" and not that it has to much influence.
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#57
12-29-2006, 11:14 PM
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Try to Focus
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You would have a better chance of preventing mirth if you admitted that almost all the military excursions abroad since WWII, engaged by the U.S., have been to project power and to promote geopolitical interests rather than self defense. "Stop them before we have to fight them in California" and all that crap just doesn't cut it anymore. Admit the truth, and we'll take it from there. [/ QUOTE ] Try to focus. The topic was whether the USA is justified in retaliating against against Syria and Iran for their actions against US soldiers in Iraq. Since both these countries are actively taking actions to kill US soldiers...I say yes. If you want to debate the Korean War, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc... then start a new topic....
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#58
12-29-2006, 11:20 PM
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Re: An Eye for an Eye....
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So... you have a problem with their self defense? We're the ones who started this crap. [/ QUOTE ] I was not aware there are US troops in Syria and Iran. Please cite your evidence. As for starting this "crap", is it not a fact Saddam tried to assassinate Bush43 in Kuwait in 1992? After this botched attempt, the USA was more than justified in invading Iraq.
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#59
12-29-2006, 11:59 PM
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Re: An Eye for an Eye....
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[ QUOTE ] So... you have a problem with their self defense? We're the ones who started this crap. [/ QUOTE ] I was not aware there are US troops in Syria and Iran. Please cite your evidence. As for starting this "crap", is it not a fact Saddam tried to assassinate Bush43 in Kuwait in 1992? After this botched attempt, the USA was more than justified in invading Iraq. [/ QUOTE ] Yes of course, an assassination attempt on a president not even in office now that occured ten years before the war was obviously the main reason for going to war.
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#60
12-30-2006, 12:08 AM
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Re: US to leave the UN?
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[ QUOTE ] They don't have the balls to go to war with the USA. They are good at rattling sabres and mouthing off but that is about it. ... fortunately we do have a few people with balls in the USA.... Bomb the Persian oil fields ... As for Syria, one spit-wad will knock them out. <font color="white"> . </font> The USA took care of Imperial Japan and Nazi-Germany quite nicely. A couple of second rate dictators will be easy to handle. [/ QUOTE ]It has been remarked by historians studying the great empires of the past that pre-eminent among the warning signs of their decay was supreme arrogance, i.e. self-defined notions of absolute invincibility and omnipotence permeating the empire. I guess this is going well. Mickey Brausch [/ QUOTE ] You can't compare modern empires to historical ones because, well, we got the nukes. They changed everything. No modern superpower will ever again be able to "conquer" another modern superpower, MAD takes care of that.
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