The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds

[ahnuld]

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Some parts of this post is good, some parts are very wrong.

Edit: I am too drunk to point explain which parts are what.

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QTF

[ahnuld]

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i beleive youve done some thinking. and maybe this forum is where this kinda stuff is posted. but...if you read the nl forum from 1998 this stuff is covered ad nauseaum.

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sorry, some of us where 12 in 1998.

[kagame]

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[mo42nyy]

ok so if the blinds are 1 cent/ 2 cent with 5 k stacks youd raiuse to a quarter or some [censored]? 175 is more than reasonable, but that should be youre opener with whatever youre opening with (if not more)
There reaches a point where the blidns are completly irrelevant and you should just raise based on stacks

[untouchable]

How can I find the good threads in the archives? I imagine only a small percentage of them is worth reading...

[Pokey]

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ok so if the blinds are 1 cent/ 2 cent with 5 k stacks youd raiuse to a quarter or some [censored]? 175 is more than reasonable, but that should be youre opener with whatever youre opening with (if not more)
There reaches a point where the blidns are completly irrelevant and you should just raise based on stacks

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Wow -- this is very wrong.

They say that "poker is a battle that begins over the blinds," and they don't say it for nothing. If you're raising a three cent pot to $175, you've made an absolutely catastrophic and unrecoverable strategic error. In fact, a savvy opponent could tighten up and play nothing but AA, reraising all-in preflop every hand, and even if you played perfectly (folding every time) he would win at a rate of about 360 PTBB/100, which is a reasonably respectable winrate.

For those who are saying "LOL this strat works fine when others play along," notice that your entire strategy relies on the assumption that your opponents are retarded and won't adjust their strategy to exploit your GINORMOUS PREFLOP ERROR. If you get a couple savvy "short stacks" (with, say, under $175 at a $0.01/$0.02 table) you will hemorrhage money out of every orifice.

For those who are saying "LOL it's still chump change" then WTF were you doing sitting at a 2-cent table in the first place?

Maybe this will make things more clear: you're at a $10/$20 table and two players have $1,000,000 each in front of them. They're each playing a TAG-like game, running 22/20. Since their stacks are so large, their opening raise is to $40,000. Can you see this as an exploitable strategy, especially for another player sitting down at the table with $2,000 (soon to be $80,000)?

There's a reason that the antes/blinds anchor the preflop raises: if they don't, your preflop strategy will be emminently exploitable by a patient opponent.

[DLizzle]

So if there is a game with no blinds, what happens preflop?

[Pokey]

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So if there is a game with no blinds, what happens preflop?

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Nothing. There isn't a game without blinds because nobody has any incentive to risk anything. If you play literally ANY hand other than AA, your strategy is exploitable by a patient opponent who waits for rockets and open-pushes.

[Requin]

I guarantee you if you sat down 6 high-stakes players who think they can outplay each other, and who know that the others think they can outplay everyone, there will be alot of action.

[aceswild83]

picking up the blinds is the whole objective of the game so without them there would be no point in playing.