WSOP 2005-- a dealers perspective

[Jooka]

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I dealt the 2005 WSOP and just wanted to put a few things out there.

This year was very disappointing in terms of dealer tokes. First place---stiffed the whole staff. Most of the 'in the money' finishers did not take care of the dealers. It is unfortunate because many of the best dealers will not be making the trip out there next year, and you will be stuck with many "break-in" dealers, who will without a doubt have a negative influence on the WSOP.

On a good note, I would like to thank Greg Raymer, who thanked the dealers for the great job. We appreciate the recognition.

If anyone has a chance, there is a really good artice in this months TopPair magazine on page 63.

-Chef

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ill take the break in dealer to spite your greed.

[newfant]

If it makes you feel any better, I went to college and grad school for 6 years and only made about $25/hr. after I graduated. You had about 3 or 4 weeks of training and (at $30/hr.) are making more than a lot of college graduates.

If you really feel like you are underpaid, then don't go back next year.

[A_C_Slater]

This thread makes me never want to tip another dealer again, ever.

[autobet]

1. Granted a traveling tourn dealer should make a little extra to cover expenses.

2. How much should a dealer make? It is a job that takes six weeks to learn and six months to master. Sure you have to put up with a lot of negative environments, but who is forcing you into the profession? Who is forcing anyone to travel and bear their own expenses? Seem like $35 an hours is a more than decent wage for dealing.

3. If I go to a rest. that takes out tips, that is what I tip. If I am left to tip on my own I will tip 10-25% depending on the food and serice. When I am forced to tip no matter what, then I am not real motivated to leave extra.

Knowing that a lot of players (I'm not saying all or most) will not be generous when it comes to tipping, I would guess most dealers would rather be guaranteed a decent tourn. by having the tips taken out of the entry fees.

[Kevmath]

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Percentages taken out of WSOP events in 2005:
(Tournament staff/Harrah's)
$500/3%/7%
$1,000/3%/6%
$1,500/3%/5%
$2,000/3%/5%
$2,500/3%/5%
$3,000/3%/5%
$5,000/2%/4%
$10,000/2%/4%

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Assuming the TD staff get the same 30% of the dealer's percentages for each event you get these figures:
Dealers TD Harrah's
1 (500 Casino) 6951 2979 23170
2 (1500 NL) 72608 31118 172875
3 (1500 PL) 33736 14458 80325
4 (1500 LH) 33043 14161 78675
5 (1500 Omaha 8) 22018 9436 52425
6 (2500 NL SH) 28770 12330 68500
7 (1000 NL/rebuy) 17346 7434 79850
8 (1500 Stud) 14868 6372 35400
9 (2000 NL) 58926 25254 140300
10 (2000 LH) 23898 10242 56900
11 (2000 PLH) 22680 9720 54000
12 (2000 PLO/rebuy) 8904 3816 21200
13 (5000 NL) 32620 13980 93200
14 (1000 Stud 8) 12495 5355 35700
15 (1500 LH S/O) 14175 6075 33750
16 (1500 NL S/O) 24570 10530 58500
17 (2500 LH) 19582 8392 46625
18 (2000 Stud 8) 11718 5022 27900
19 (1500 PLO) 9166 3928 21825
20 (5000 PL) 16730 7170 47800
21 (2500 Omaha 8) 18847 8077 44875
22 (1500 NL) 63409 27175 150975
23 (5000 Stud) 13440 5760 38400
24 (2500 NL) 55440 23760 132000
25 (2500 PL) 22312 9562 53125
26 (1000 Ladies NL) 12621 5409 36060
27 (5000 PLO/rebuy) 9380 4020 26800
28 (5000 LH) 18830 8070 53800
29 (2000 NL) 45024 19296 107200
30 (1500 Razz) 9166 3928 21825
31 (5000 NL SH) 21070 9030 60200
32 (5000 Omaha 8) 15680 6720 44800
33 (3000 NL) 63630 27270 151500
34 (1000 Seniors) 17325 7425 49500
35 (10000 PLO) 23100 9900 66000
36 (3000 LH) 25578 10962 60900
37 (1000 NL/rebuy) 18774 8046 53640
39 (5000 2-7/rebuy) 4550 1950 13000
42 (10000 NL ME) 786660 337140 2247600
43 (1500 NL) 17493 7497 49980
44 (1000 NL) 20391 8739 58260
45 (1000 NL) 15918 6822 45480
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Totals 1,783,442 764,330 4,664,290

Some figures may be off because of human error, figuring rebuys in the percentages, etc.

[MyMindIsGoing]

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This thread makes me never want to tip another dealer again, ever.

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Exactly. It makes me not want to tip again ever not matter what situation...

[FeliciaLee]

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Edit: I also recall hearing from reliable sources that dealers were making considerably more than that in the weeks leading up to the main event--like 30/40 a down.

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A friend of mine who switched from pro playing to dealing for the series said that he was making about $25 per down, early in the festival.

Since he is coming from a players perspective, and not a dealers perspective, I tend to believe what he said.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Rockatansky]

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This thread makes me never want to tip another dealer again, ever.

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Exactly. It makes me not want to tip again ever not matter what situation...

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You are a piece of [censored].

[MrBrightside]

$30 + an hour is way more than my two sisters, who are teachers, make, at least in my state. Also way more than my wife makes -- a social worker who investigates child abuse claims and makes decisions that affect a child' whole life.

Frankly, I don't tip dealers anymore unless they are very good. I had a HORRIBLE dealer give me grief about not tipping on a like $12 3/6 pot last week at our Indian casino here and told her straight up "if you want an extra tip in addition to your normal pay, you need to not suck so much." This lady had exposed 3 cards in the last 10 minutes, and she's miffed she's not getting tipped?

Look, I'm an ex-waiter, I tip for good service, but tipping that is expected or taken out automatically is NOT tiping. It defeats the whole purpose of tipping.

Furthermore, I'd never really thought about it before, but I saw a post on this topic last week that mentioned that dealers are basically officials, and tipping them is like the Yankees' tipping the umpires after they won the world series.... it doesn't really set right with me.

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That's $37.5 per hour based on 12 downs in a 8 hour shift.

10% for the floor leaves about $34 an hour.