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04-21-2007, 11:19 PM
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i don't think so samiam,
what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that 
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#52
04-21-2007, 11:22 PM
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i don't think so samiam, what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that [/ QUOTE ] Or we could just understand that our desire to put blame on people is a defense mechanism, and a strategy for preventing unwanted behavior. Who really cares if he is 'scum' or not? The point is, we don't want the psycho killer killing people, and we don't want the child molester molesting kids. Being loudly violent and indignant about it is a (probably ineffectual) scarecrow. FWIW, people are probably about as 'able to control' their disgust, outrage and bloodlust WRT these criminals as the criminals are their desires.
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#54
04-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] whether or not harm to another person occurrs is my main focus in evaluating these types of things. I don't think that is unreasonable. [/ QUOTE ] If I'm a psycho killer, I'm not scum if I try to kill people? And I am scum if I succeed? I think that's unreasonable. [/ QUOTE ] what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! [/ QUOTE ] It's totally reasonable to excuse them if they're wacked out. That's not "whether or not harm to another person occurs" as your main focus, though. I'm not blood thirsty or even furious at these guys. I took issue with the idea that they could be judged 'scum' based on the result. Either we judge them on their motives or their sanity (or both), but not on whether they succeeded.
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#55
04-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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[ QUOTE ] i don't think so samiam, what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that [/ QUOTE ] Or we could just understand that our desire to put blame on people is a defense mechanism, and a strategy for preventing unwanted behavior. Who really cares if he is 'scum' or not? The point is, we don't want the psycho killer killing people, and we don't want the child molester molesting kids. Being loudly violent and indignant about it is a (probably ineffectual) scarecrow. FWIW, people are probably about as 'able to control' their disgust, outrage and bloodlust WRT these criminals as the criminals are their desires. [/ QUOTE ] If they can't control themselves then they should be committed to a prison or institution then becasue they are a danger to society
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#56
04-21-2007, 11:51 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i don't think so samiam, what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that [/ QUOTE ] Or we could just understand that our desire to put blame on people is a defense mechanism, and a strategy for preventing unwanted behavior. Who really cares if he is 'scum' or not? The point is, we don't want the psycho killer killing people, and we don't want the child molester molesting kids. Being loudly violent and indignant about it is a (probably ineffectual) scarecrow. FWIW, people are probably about as 'able to control' their disgust, outrage and bloodlust WRT these criminals as the criminals are their desires. [/ QUOTE ] If they can't control themselves then they should be committed to a prison or institution then becasue they are a danger to society [/ QUOTE ] Yep. But I don't care to see them beaten or humiliated or killed. Of course they should be imprisoned.
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#57
04-21-2007, 11:52 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i don't think so samiam, what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that [/ QUOTE ] Or we could just understand that our desire to put blame on people is a defense mechanism, and a strategy for preventing unwanted behavior. Who really cares if he is 'scum' or not? The point is, we don't want the psycho killer killing people, and we don't want the child molester molesting kids. Being loudly violent and indignant about it is a (probably ineffectual) scarecrow. FWIW, people are probably about as 'able to control' their disgust, outrage and bloodlust WRT these criminals as the criminals are their desires. [/ QUOTE ] If they can't control themselves then they should be committed to a prison or institution then becasue they are a danger to society [/ QUOTE ] Yep. But I don't care to see them beaten or humiliated or killed. Of course they should be imprisoned. [/ QUOTE ] who said they are going to be beaten or killed...prison is fine for me
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#58
04-22-2007, 12:05 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i don't think so samiam, what if someone is just born wacked out? they can't help it, they are wired to be a serial killer. how are they scum? they can't help it! similarly what if you are born with a fetish like you love s&m or something, it's somehow ok? but you could have easily been born with a kiddie porn fetish, and then you'd be a scumbag? i dunno if i buy that [/ QUOTE ] Or we could just understand that our desire to put blame on people is a defense mechanism, and a strategy for preventing unwanted behavior. Who really cares if he is 'scum' or not? The point is, we don't want the psycho killer killing people, and we don't want the child molester molesting kids. Being loudly violent and indignant about it is a (probably ineffectual) scarecrow. FWIW, people are probably about as 'able to control' their disgust, outrage and bloodlust WRT these criminals as the criminals are their desires. [/ QUOTE ] If they can't control themselves then they should be committed to a prison or institution then becasue they are a danger to society [/ QUOTE ] Yep. But I don't care to see them beaten or humiliated or killed. Of course they should be imprisoned. [/ QUOTE ] who said they are going to be beaten or killed...prison is fine for me [/ QUOTE ] You just ignored 'humiliated?' Also, its been brought up in this thread, that a lot of people are sadistic and would gleefully answer "Yes" to "Should these people be beaten or castrated?" You don't appear to be one of them, which is fine, but doesn't really invalidate the point.
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#59
04-22-2007, 12:34 AM
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I think this is really unfair.
Talking dirty on the internet, and then showing up (invited) at their house shouldn't be a crime. I don't believe putting men who may molest children in jail is effective in decreasing the number of molesters. And even if it was, I still don't think it would be an ethical solution. It's disgusting that people can be sent to jail for thinking about doing something wrong, while not actually DOING anything wrong at all.
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#60
04-22-2007, 12:39 AM
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even soemtimes the guy complies and gently gets to his knees clearly not a threat, and the cops just bullrush him and knock him over and ram his face into the ground, clearly not necessary. I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't on TV but the only reason they do it is for the ratings. [/ QUOTE ] Cops do this alot, just go into the black community and ask around. Personally, I like the show for the fact that it should slow down would be first time offenders. If you notice some of those arrested have admitted seeing the show and doing what they did anyway. The thing I don't like is the lack of street smarts by some of the villans. They immediately begin answering questions and cooperating with the police like dummies(you don't have to say [censored]).They will sit there and try to get pity because they ruined their life. LOL yeah right.
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