Absolutely heated about JC Tran situation at Foxwoods

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huh? it's a general rule to prevent collusion. it has nothing to do with this specific hand. it's a rule.

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Just so. I don't think anybody believes there was attempted collusion, but were two players colluding, this is exactly how they'd do it. [1]

The dealer probably should have called the floor first, but the outcome is the same no matter what. If the floorman gets there, it goes like this:

Floor: "Are those his cards?"
Dealer: "Yep."
Floor: "You sure?"
Dealer: "Yep."
Floor: "Then turn 'em over; they're live."

Mike Ward made exactly the right ruling, and anything else starts you down a dangerous and slippery slope. It was just one of a gajillion bad beats at the Foxwoods that day. Next case.

I agree, BTW, that you should probably handle it differently in a cash game (clear intention to muck face down should be respected), but that's completely and totally irrelevant here.

Regards, Lee

[1] Erm, modulo the fact that the guy would probably bury his cards in the muck quickly so they couldn't be retrieved.

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I was just about to post the same thing, damn you Lee Jones for beating me to the punch. But I guess people would respect your opinion more than mine so I guess it's ok.

[apefish]

Standard ruling.
Guy is a muppet.
When flustered may come off as a dbag.
Somebody may or may not be busto.

[goofyballer]

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During a tournament in an all-in situation it is the CORRECT ruling for that players hand to be turned up, despite tossing it face down towards the muck.

I do NOT care what the ruling is, Foxwoods or otherwise.

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Yeah, who cares about the rules of poker? Obviously our own personal beliefs should take precedence at the poker table! BRILLIANT THREAD IMO

[Nairb]

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huh? it's a general rule to prevent collusion. it has nothing to do with this specific hand. it's a rule.

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Just so. I don't think anybody believes there was attempted collusion, but were two players colluding, this is exactly how they'd do it. [1]

The dealer probably should have called the floor first, but the outcome is the same no matter what. If the floorman gets there, it goes like this:

Floor: "Are those his cards?"
Dealer: "Yep."
Floor: "You sure?"
Dealer: "Yep."
Floor: "Then turn 'em over; they're live."

Mike Ward made exactly the right ruling, and anything else starts you down a dangerous and slippery slope. It was just one of a gajillion bad beats at the Foxwoods that day. Next case.

I agree, BTW, that you should probably handle it differently in a cash game (clear intention to muck face down should be respected), but that's completely and totally irrelevant here.

Regards, Lee

[1] Erm, modulo the fact that the guy would probably bury his cards in the muck quickly so they couldn't be retrieved.

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Hey Lee good to see you again on the forum!!!

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BRILLIANT THREAD IMO

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[PlzHelpMe]

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BRILLIANT FIRST POST IMO

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[Nairb]

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BRILLIANT FIRST POST IMO

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lol

[AntonHeat]

Simple Cash game this is a fold, MTT if cards can be found you must play them, like floor said.

[Dominic]

correct ruling, what's the problem?

The all-in guy is a huge douchebag for his reaction afterwards, but last time I checked that's not against the rules.

[12ressiMorP]

Correct ruling, tough luck for JC.