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Re: Top Set Mining (TSM)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Money, I finally hit. Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/10 Seat 2: seat2 Seat 3: seat3 ($54.75) Seat 4: seat4 Seat 5: TopSetMiner($35.15) Seat 6: seat6 Seat 7: seat7 Seat 8: seat8 Seat 9: seat9 seat2: posts small blind $0.25 seat3: posts big blind $0.50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to TopSetMiner [6h 6d] seat4: folds TopSetMiner: calls $0.50 seat6: folds seat7: folds seat8: folds seat9: folds seat2: calls $0.25 seat3: checks *** FLOP *** [2c 2d 6c] seat2: checks seat3: checks TopSetMiner: checks *** TURN *** [2c 2d 6c] [Jc] seat2: checks seat3: bets $1 TopSetMiner: raises $2 to $3 seat2: folds seat3: raises $2 to $5 TopSetMiner: raises $10 to $15 Seat3: calls $10 *** RIVER *** [2c 2d 6c Jc] [5d] Seat3: bets $39.25 and is all-in TopSetMiner: calls $19.65 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** Seat3: shows [4c 3c] (a flush, Jack high) TopSetMiner: shows [6h 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Deuces) TopSetMiner collected $67.80 from pot [/ QUOTE ] You mis-apply. Fish. [/ QUOTE ] This is an interesting hand to look at more closely. I think a call is incorrect here but close. It's $20 to win $50 so you are getting 2.5 to 1 on your money. Let's look at the villain's range for pushing the river: {22, JJ, 34} So you lose to 66% of them. This makes the call mathematically incorrect. But ... I read in a book that there is always like a 10% chance that the villain is bluffing, so you have to factor that in. It's easy to say "call" after seeing the results, but that's just being results oriented IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Actually it's not even that close. Hero shouldn't have gone to the river. He has, what, 1 out our something? And who knows which other player on the table might have already mucked the 6s, nobody chatted. Hero has to fold to the min 4-bet on the turn. That's a gut shot draw like never. Only 22 or JJ make that action in teh Limitless poker game. After Hero's ecspert min-raise Villain knows he's WA/WB. Hero got soooooooooo lucky here. I fold to that min 4-bet like always. Save 4BBs please. k thx. |
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Drawing to quads is just a recipe for disaster. [/ QUOTE ] This thread is gold. I LOL'd. |
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Re: Top Set Mining (TSM)
22, 33: Dump this like 98% of the time - you will never have Top Set with this hand. Sometimes call for quad value if you are deep enough. There is always a chance that villain might draw to overquads, but that's just a standard cooler if it happens - you can't worry about overquads when you have quads.
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Re: Top Set Mining (TSM)
A+ would read again.
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i invented TOP SET MINING back in 03' at pacific. this is standard
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"66: Play it carefully on a 236 board. Hope the board pair or villain could have 45 and stack you. Board pairing is a hidden blessing - what if villain just got quads? The 4th 6 is the gin card we are looking for. Blocker bet all the way down and unless another 6 hits, just check/call river. If you hit quads, value bet."
hahah, awesome |
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Lol this theory sucks worse than Kevin Federline.. As this is BBV I wont get into why, suffice it to say anyone who is slow-witted enough to be coached by you gets what they deserve [/ QUOTE ] Federline is awesome dude. OP is tl/dr. |
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Re: Top Set Mining (TSM)
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This is an interesting hand to look at more closely. I think a call is incorrect here but close. It's $20 to win $50 so you are getting 2.5 to 1 on your money. Let's look at the villain's range for pushing the river: {22, JJ, 34} So you lose to 66% of them. This makes the call mathematically incorrect. But ... I read in a book that there is always like a 10% chance that the villain is bluffing, so you have to factor that in. It's easy to say "call" after seeing the results, but that's just being results oriented IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, after looking at this hand, I can see how lucky I was. The dreaded overquads! |
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Re: Top Set Mining (TSM)
One of my biggest leaks is playing underquads out of position in a multiway pot. What I started doing is min-check-raising the button, hopefully getting the pot heads-up and also putting in the minimum when I'm behind. I then make a smallish blocking bet on the next card. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'll post results when I get a bigger sample size.
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Yeah baby, yeah!
I sure was getting tired of laying down bottom set. Finally, my patience paid off. Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/11 Seat 1: Seat1 ($67.50 in chips) Seat 3: Seat3 ($56.35 in chips) Seat 4: Seat4 ($28 in chips) Seat 5: Seat5 ($26.90 in chips) Seat 6: TopSetMiner ($84.15 in chips) TopSetMiner: posts small blind $0.25 Seat1: posts big blind $0.50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to TopSetMiner [Qh Qd] Seat3: raises $1.50 to $2 seat4: folds seat5: folds TopSetMiner: raises $4 to $6 Seat1: calls $5.50 Seat3: raises $12 to $18 TopSetMiner: calls $12 Seat1: folds *** FLOP *** [9h Qs 2c] TopSetMiner: checks Seat3: bets $18 TopSetMiner: raises $48.15 to $66.15 and is all-in Seat3: calls $20.35 and is all-in *** TURN *** [9h Qs 2c] [4d] *** RIVER *** [9h Qs 2c 4d] [Kd] *** SHOW DOWN *** TopSetMiner: shows [Qh Qd] (three of a kind, Queens) Seat3: mucks hand TopSetMiner collected $116.70 from pot I'm proud of how I got it all in before I could get hit with quads or an overset. |
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