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06-14-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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Anyone who thinks one common ancestor evolution is as well established as physics is a loony. You might want to think about why Schroeder, who is a Jew, says what he does. Don't break your brain trying. [/ QUOTE ] Not Ready, regarding Schroeder’s take on evolution: I’ve now misplaced or lost both of Schroeder’s books that my brother gave me, so I hope I am stating things correctly when I say that Schroeder believes in evolution as postulated by scientists. He points out some Jewish text that suggests at one point in the primate chain, God gave a lucky couple, the gift of Neshama (sp?). Or a soul. And further postulates that those with a soul, could mate with the soulless and the offspring would have a soul. Or something to this effect. You’ll have to read the book for his explanation, which is far more detailed than my summary of an old memory. edit - on further digging through my memory, I think he points out a few problems with evolution, but doesn't outright dispute it. 
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#52
06-14-2007, 01:46 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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I hope that's not a serious comment. [/ QUOTE ] Dead serious which you would understand if you knew anything at all about Calvin & co.
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#53
06-14-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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And further, there are no *scientifically reputable* alternative theories. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, well, that settles it. We can't imagine anything else, we're pretty near God ourselves, so it obviously must be so.
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#55
06-14-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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Schroeder believes in evolution [/ QUOTE ] I read the available excerpts from the books on Amazon and got that impression as well. I watched a video he made, though, where he seemed to be dubious about neo-Darwinism. So, I won't know til I read his stuff. But I don't deny OCA myself, I just don't think it's much more than speculation - and certainly way behind physics in terms of proof.
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#56
06-14-2007, 01:54 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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[ QUOTE ] I hope that's not a serious comment. [/ QUOTE ] Dead serious which you would understand if you knew anything at all about Calvin & co. [/ QUOTE ] So you think the big bang theory was around during the reformation? As opposed to being first proposed by a catholic priest/physicist in the 1920s? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And further, there are no *scientifically reputable* alternative theories. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, well, that settles it. We can't imagine anything else, we're pretty near God ourselves, so it obviously must be so. [/ QUOTE ] Imagining theories, as in proposing a hypothesis, is only the begining of the scientific method. Proof in the form of credible scientific evidence is the most important part. ID has no such credible evidence to support its pseudo-scientific theories.
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#57
06-14-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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So you think the big bang theory was around during the reformation? [/ QUOTE ] I said Augustine. 4th century, hello? And it was partly tongue in cheek - Augustine did oppose Aristotle(something Aquinas might have done well to consider) on the eternity of the universe - he thought Genesis taught that time had a beginning. [ QUOTE ] ID has no such credible evidence to support its pseudo-scientific theories. [/ QUOTE ] Why are you still going on about ID?
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#58
06-14-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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Anyone who thinks one common ancestor evolution is as well established as physics is a loony. [/ QUOTE ] This is arguably true, though not in the way NR intends. Given the "strangeness" of quantum physics, and the poorly understood nature of certain astronomical observations (such as "dark matter" and "dark energy"), it can be cogently argued that common descent via evolution is a much better established theory than physics. It is certainly at least as well established. I don't think those who deny common descent are literally loony (i.e. mentally ill), but rather they suffer from profound irrationalism, usually as a consequence of having faith in a brand of religious dogma. It's a good example of how faith short-circuits the mind.
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#59
06-14-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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[ QUOTE ] So you think the big bang theory was around during the reformation? [/ QUOTE ] I said Augustine. 4th century, hello? And it was partly tongue in cheek - Augustine did oppose Aristotle(something Aquinas might have done well to consider) on the eternity of the universe - he thought Genesis taught that time had a beginning. [/ QUOTE ] Show me where Aquinas taught that time didn't have a beginning. And the reason some christians like to trash Aristotle is because reason isn't given its due in theology. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ID has no such credible evidence to support its pseudo-scientific theories. [/ QUOTE ] Why are you still going on about ID? [/ QUOTE ] Because your posts imply a defense of same.
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#60
06-14-2007, 09:40 PM
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Re: Whats the Universe expanding into?
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Show me where Aquinas taught that time didn't have a beginning [/ QUOTE ] I'm under the impression one of his positions was the possibility that the universe has no beginning in time - eternal creation, or something. At any rate, I was referring in more general terms to the love affair the Scholastics had with Aristotle. As far as reason, Calvinists were always accused of worshipping reason. [ QUOTE ] Because your posts imply a defense of same. [/ QUOTE ] Your inferator is broke.
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