UFC 74 thread

[rush66]

Thanks a lot for this post, Slick.

[trixtrix]

that cements it, you're the best eva.. EVA!

[TomCowley]

Are submissions dead as a primary weapon among elite MMA competitors? It seems like (from my perception, not from any hard data) the only submissions in high-level fights now are after the loser is already beaten to a pulp (Diaz-Gomi, Arlovski-Sylvia), and it's just a means to a foregone conclusion. Lower-level fighters make mistakes and walk into basic subs, or there's such a strength (or escape knowledge)mismatch that "weak" techniques are good enough for the win.

Is there a top-15 fighter in any division who has been submitted in the last 3 years without being annihilated first (or moving up 2 divisions, so Fedor-Lindland doesn't count if there wasn't a lot of damage first)? What's the ratio of submissions to KO/TKO/tapout from strikes?

[trixtrix]

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What's the ratio of submissions to KO/TKO/tapout from strikes?

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90:111

[TomCowley]

Seriously. It's not a stupid question in a vacuum, so it doens't deserve a dumbass made up answer. What percentage of elite fights that don't go to decision are submissions, and what percentage are KO/TKO/tap-from-strikes.

[trixtrix]

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Seriously. It's not a stupid question in a vacuum, so it doens't deserve a dumbass made up answer. What percentage of elite fights that don't go to decision are submissions, and what percentage are KO/TKO/tap-from-strikes.

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??WTF what makes you think it was a made-up?

this is last fuukin' time i take my time out to query my db and give out a -ev answer in the best interest of others..

[TomCowley]

Sorry- I knew there was no way today's top-15 fighters have fought other top-15 fighters 201 times to non-decisions in the last 3 years, and I figured this was another in the long line of "helpful" comments in here, instead of an actual attempt to help (answering the question about a different group of fights).

I shouldn't have jumped down your throat. My bad. I apologize.

[trixtrix]

the qualification for the query is any type of ufc bout w/ a betting line from ufc 52 and later. the distinction is between subs (including technical subs) vs. ko/tko/any type of ref/doc stoppge and subs from strikes..

the term top 15 is extremely subjective and therefore undefinable w/in the sql realm

[Thremp]

Serious answers phrased like sarcasm has become the new sarcasm.

[B00T]

Most people would of guessed he was being sarcastic. If he included his additional comments in his 2nd post on the matter, then I could understand why he'd get upset.