"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[mmbt0ne]

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i cashed in one event for about 58k

they asked if i wanted to tip, i said how much of the prize pool is going to the dealers for this event

sorry we can't tell you that

so i didn't end up tipping

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I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more attention. Especially as the argument turned to whether or not CF was the one being misleading.

[pkrporcupine]

Never did i complain about what i make, if you had paid attention you will notice that i said i love my job and dont care if Jerry tipped. He said thank you and is very sincere and a good man, not an ass like some players. I never said i was special and i never said i made $50 an hour, i usually average that before taxes sometimes more. I earn what i do because i am good at what i do just like those of you in a regular white collar job getting paid what you are worth and are valued for what you add to your job.
And thanks for the info Oliver, now atleast we know how he got in there. And CF did give great advice to JY about how to handle the taxes, how to have the casino pay him etc.
Im not sure if its even worth mentioning in here but I think it would be a great idea and step in the right direction to have a dealer on the players advisory board to be able to set up a fair way to pay the staff so everyone bennifits

[capone0]

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Never did i complain about what i make, if you had paid attention you will notice that i said i love my job and dont care if Jerry tipped. He said thank you and is very sincere and a good man, not an ass like some players. I never said i was special and i never said i made $50 an hour, i usually average that before taxes sometimes more. I earn what i do because i am good at what i do just like those of you in a regular white collar job getting paid what you are worth and are valued for what you add to your job.
And thanks for the info Oliver, now atleast we know how he got in there. And CF did give great advice to JY about how to handle the taxes, how to have the casino pay him etc.
Im not sure if its even worth mentioning in here but I think it would be a great idea and step in the right direction to have a dealer on the players advisory board to be able to set up a fair way to pay the staff so everyone bennifits

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If you usually make 50 dollars per hour before taxes you should never be complaining. This is a job a computer does even better than you do, yet you get paid to do it on a regular basis.

[rwesty]

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I never said i was special and i never said i made $50 an hour, i usually average that before taxes sometimes more.

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No wonder they try to keep this a secret. There's no way there would be so much constant pressure to tip all the time if everyone knew this.

[W brad]

$60,000,000 * 1.8% * 65% = $702,000

$702,000 / 700 dealers = $1,003 per dealer

Days of work:
Days most dealers needed: 7 (1a,1b,1c,1d,2a,2b,3)
Days only a fraction of the dealers are needed: (4,5,6,FT)


It seems most dealers should be getting about $1,000 for 7 days of work.

What I don't understand is why there are 700 dealers. Even on the busiest day there were only about 200 tables. Even with many extra dealers around to provide generous breaks for those working I can't see why there would be 700 dealers needed.

[thomasdrool]

Sounds like 1k each plus wages. How many of you only had to work 4/5 of those days? Between 100 (a few of you) and 200 (most of you) a day tippage doesn't sound too shabby to me.

[realwtf]

I understand you are getting 65% of the 1.8% of the TOTAL prizepool. CF calculated what the winner paid in tips only for what he won and took home. So he only has already paid $170,000 or so. The rest of the field who cashed each have also paid an addition 1.8% of there winnings to the toal tips.

[Teph]

Why would you ever tip the dealer pool rather than just tip the dealers that you played with (That deserved it even)

That is like me walking around the Bellagio floor tipping mixed game dealers while I am at a NL table after I win a monster pot.

BTW: Oliver every post you make makes me laugh, poker is no longer fun for everyone, in fact, this just got seriousssss.

[McMelchior]

A WSOP dealer told me this year she was being paid $3.20 per hour by Harrah's and relied on tips for the rest. No way it should be legal to underpay qualified workers that grossly! Criticizing players for not taking responsibility and making up for Harrah's repugnant salary policies is plainly mis-leading.

When we buy in to tournaments the organizers take a large fee out of - not the prize pool - but each players buy-in. Relying on lucky individuals to make up for Harrah's disgusting under-payment of their labor is simply wrong. Every dollar giving in tip additional to what's already deducted from the buy-in is just adding to Harrah's profit, and in effect taking the money out of the poker economy.

The strongest way we tournament players can support the underpaid dealers is to refuse to tip anything in addition to what's beeing withheld.

That way Harrah's (and other tournament organizers) will be forced to pay dealers decent wages, if they want to be able to offer tournaments at all!

[realwtf]

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A WSOP dealer told me this year she was being paid $3.20 per hour by Harrah's and relied on tips for the rest. No way it should be legal to underpay qualified workers that grossly! Criticizing players for not taking responsibility and making up for Harrah's repugnant salary policies is plainly mis-leading.

When we buy in to tournaments the organizers take a large fee out of - not the prize pool - but each players buy-in. Relying on lucky individuals to make up for Harrah's disgusting under-payment of their labor is simply wrong. Every dollar giving in tip additional to what's already deducted from the buy-in is just adding to Harrah's profit, and in effect taking the money out of the poker economy.

The strongest way we tournament players can support the underpaid dealers is to refuse to tip anything in addition to what's beeing withheld.

That way Harrah's (and other tournament organizers) will be forced to pay dealers decent wages, if they want to be able to offer tournaments at all!

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Dealers are lying to players about how much they make an hour too? I thought they were making $6.41 not half that or $3.20.

If dealer lied to me about how much they made to get more tips I would definatly not give any extra.